❤️🌍✝️🩸⬆️👑 The atonement is universal and complete. Salvation occurs when one is placed in Christ and his resurrection life through faith. #LetGodBeGood

Universal Atonement is True
Joined September 2022
Doctrinal Possum retweeted
I just listened to these two Calvinists defending @gui_bignon_theo against @DineshDSouza. Here is a summary of their answer and my rebuttal: youtube.com/live/4IsHtJd5XGc… 1) Their answer to “Does God make you do it” (regarding sin): No. God does not coerce or force you to sin against your will. You do the sinful act because you want to, according to your own desires. God determines the desires, brain states, circumstances, and the act itself, but because you willingly act on those desires, the act is yours and you remain fully responsible. God has righteous intent behind what He determines, so He is not the moral author of the sin. The distinction is between ultimate determination (with good purposes) and proximate willing of the evil (by the creature). I believe that is a fair representation of their answer. Tell me if you disagree. 🤷‍♂️ 2) Why this answer is insufficient within the compatibilistic framework: Compatibilism reduces “freedom” to acting according to one’s strongest desires without external coercion. Once God exhaustively determines the desires themselves (the internal states that produce the choice), the “I wanted to” is fully determined by God’s decree. There are no alternative possibillities; the outcome could not have been otherwise and the source of the evil desire is the divine decree. The distinction between “God makes you do it” and “God determines your desires so that you freely do it” collapses into a verbal distinction. It’s semantics. God still originates the sinful inclination and ensures the act by controlling the very will that “chooses” it. This leaves the creature as the proximate instrument of a predetermined outcome rather than the true origin of the sin, which fails to preserve genuine secondary causation or the force of texts such as 1 John 2:16 and James 1:13–14 that locate the source of temptation and sin in the world or the creature’s own desires, not in a divine causal decree. The framework therefore does not escape the implication that God is the ultimate source of the sinful act it seeks to avoid.
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A lot of division between Calvinists/Arminians/Provisionists can be laid at the feet of teachers in past decades who told their congregation that those who disagree with us worship their own <fill in the blank> or some other disingenuous take.
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"If Christ on the cross did exactly for Judas what He did for us and Judas went to Hell, then what makes you think that we won't either?" This they willfully forget: "In Him" Forgiveness of sin Election Sealed by the HS Every blessing An inheritance Created for good works
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This happens with theology, too. "If they understood my theological position, they would accept it." They can't fathom that someone could understand it and still reject it.
I think Gerwig genuinely loves Narnia and thinks she is honoring Lewis's vision. It's just that progressives are so fully convinced of their own worldview that they believe it IS honoring the legacy of Lewis to filter it through their universalist, watered down version of faith. "If he were alive today, he would have become a liberal like me, so I am lovingly participating in his legacy by updating it." The sincere, nice-person, aesthetically excellent kind of subversion is the most effective. People will love the films and then begin to associate Aslan and Lewis with the very Christianity-and-water type of religion he actually was fighting hard against. youtu.be/gHevSz8Z_KM?si=F8eQ…
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“Goat farms” Justin doesn’t understand Calvinism.
These are not churches. These are goat farms.
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Me: Most of these person's posts seem driven by the flesh and make me want to respond in the flesh. I'm going to block them so I'm not tempted to respond. My moots: Here, have a screenshot from them. Me: 😭
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“Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important… they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.” -T. S. Elliot
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Self-righteous indignation often masquerades as righteous indignation. “Come see my zeal for the LORD.” Something to think about.
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Doctrinal Possum retweeted
Salvation is of the Lord (Jonah 2:9), but Jonah cried out to God for salvation (2:2, 2:7) and idolaters forsake the mercy that could be theirs (2:8). The Ninevites understood that repentance does not obligate God to forgive: Who knows? God may turn and relent and turn from his fierce anger (3:9). Believers would perish unless God chooses to save them. Salvation is of the Lord.
It blows my mind that people have such contempt for those of us who believe salvation is of the Lord. We believe He chose us before the foundation of the world, has mercy on whom He wills, Christ laid down His life for His sheep, the Spirit gives life to the spiritually dead, faith is a gift of God, all that the Father gives to Christ will come to Him, and He who began a good work in us will bring it to completion. They can’t stand that God does all that He pleases, declares the end from the beginning, and works all things according to the counsel of His will. They need something to boast in themselves, even if it’s as simple as them saying “I chose to believe!” They try to protect God from what He’s revealed about Himself while making up a god they think should do things a certain way. Let me remind you.. His ways are not our ways. All the inhabitants of the earth are counted as nothing before Him, and none can stay His hand or say to Him, “What have you done?”. Salvation is of the Lord. He gets all the glory. God doesn’t share the spotlight with anyone
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Wow, that was horrible. Pride and slander find fertile ground in the “doctrines of grace.”
Replying to @5SolasMissy
Wow, this is unlike you to make such uncharitable characterizations of non-Calvinists.
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What anthropomorphic, accommodative, or analogical language cannot do is express the opposite of what it is meant to illustrate. A God who says “Now I know” is not telling us that he knew all along, nor should “the finger of God wrote” cause us to think he did not actually write.
God’s use of Father is anthropomorphic language. God is neither procreator nor male in the sense that we understand those words. However, the language of fatherhood illustrates that he is generative of new life, we are his offspring, and he possesses paternal authority over us.
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God’s use of Father is anthropomorphic language. God is neither procreator nor male in the sense that we understand those words. However, the language of fatherhood illustrates that he is generative of new life, we are his offspring, and he possesses paternal authority over us.
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PSA: I block people who mass tag to promote their posts. Don't do that, it's really annoying.
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Even though I strongly disagree with his conclusion, I appreciate how this brother phrased it. Not as an accusation, but as a challenge. And with 1689 in bio, no less! 😜
Replying to @Theo_Chilton
Brother a lot of folks quote that verse in the context of this debate. The issue I see is the implication of universalism. If he IS the propitiation, then he made (not potentially) peace between the unregenerate and God. I know you don't believe that and neither do it but...
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You know JW is getting cooked for doing this when Rich has to start gaslighting people to cover for him.
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Calvinists misquoting John 10:11… again.
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This is a great example of using semantics to obscure the meaning of established terminology in order to avoid the force of a challenge. I think it reveals their discomfort with the L of TULIP: They want to hide it instead of owning it.
Every Christian believes in limited atonement.
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Doctrinal Possum retweeted
The death of Christ was according to the “determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God” (Acts 2:23; Acts 4:27–28). Nobody is disputing that. What Scripture does not say is that God's purpose required Him to irresistibly cause Judas, Pilate, Herod, or any particular sinner to become wicked in order for that purpose to succeed. You have quietly moved from God determined the event to God causally determined every individual's unbelief necessary to the event. Those are not the same proposition. Look at Judas carefully. Jesus prayed through the night before choosing the Twelve, and Judas was actually one of the twelve men He chose and “named apostles” (Luke 6:12–16). Peter does not later describe Judas's apostleship as some theatrical appointment that was never truly his: “For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry” (Acts 1:17). And even more devastatingly: “…this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell” (Acts 1:25). You cannot fall by transgression from an apostleship you never actually possessed. Judas had a real calling, a real office, a real ministry and a real place among the Twelve. His betrayal does not prove that God secretly ordained him to unbelief. Scripture says Judas turned aside from what had actually been given to him. And Saul makes the point almost impossible to evade. Samuel did not tell Saul, “You were merely a temporary prop until God's real choice, David, arrived.” He told him: “Thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God… for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever. But now thy kingdom shall not continue” (1 Sam. 13:13–14). Read the grammar. Would have established. But now shall not continue. Because thou hast not kept what the LORD commanded thee. God Himself later says concerning Saul, “I regret that I have made Saul king,” and gives the reason: “for he has turned back from following me and has not performed my commandments” (1 Sam. 15:11). If your theology forces “the LORD would have established thy kingdom… but now” to mean that God never genuinely would have established it at all, perhaps Scripture is not the thing that needs adjusting. God's sovereign purpose does not depend upon human rebellion, and human rebellion cannot defeat God's sovereign purpose. Those truths are perfectly compatible. God determined that Christ would give Himself for the sins of the world. That does not mean Judas had to be irresistibly determined to become Judas the betrayer for God to accomplish Calvary. God is not so fragile that His redemptive purpose requires Him to manufacture somebody's unbelief. The same God who knew Judas would betray Christ could genuinely appoint Judas an apostle, genuinely hold him responsible for abandoning that apostleship, foreknow his betrayal, incorporate that freely committed wickedness into His redemptive purpose, and still accomplish exactly what He intended. That isn't “Plan B.” That is a God whose wisdom is so great that no creature's obedience is coerced and no creature's rebellion can overthrow His purpose. And Acts 2:23 itself refuses to collapse those categories: Christ was delivered according to God's determinate counsel and foreknowledge, yet those who crucified Him did so with “wicked hands.” God determined the redemption but men committed the wickedness, and God accomplished His purpose through their wickedness without becoming the author of their wickedness. So yes, God had a plan. What has not been demonstrated is the additional philosophical claim that for God's plan to be certain, Judas had to be causally determined to unbelieve, Pilate had to be causally determined to condemn, and every alternative act of repentance had to be rendered impossible by God. Don't smuggle determinism into the word “determined.”
Do you see it, kids? Read that again. Carefully. Then note: If Judas or Pilate repented, He could certainly use others in His plans. See it? Open theism. The Βουλομαχοι cannot avoid it! The church prays, in accordance with OT precedent (Daniel 4, Isa, Psalms), that what took place did so according to the predestining decree of God. But Provisionists? Nope...Judas? Pilate...could have been otherwise. God would just shift plans! Move to Plan B, then Plan C, etc. So the Jews, Romans, Pilate and Herod...could have been plan #3,457 for all we know. If LF and his boys had walked into the church in Jerusalem to explain to the Apostles how God does not have a decree and what took place in their lives was just one plan amongst many, well, the looks would have been classic, to say the least.
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One can say that they believe another’s doctrinal beliefs diminish God’s glory, but to say they are attempting to steal it commits the mind-reading fallacy and risks the sin of falsely accusing brothers in Christ—an error that objectively does diminish the glory of God.
Replying to @1984_nate
It would be more accurate to say that non calvinists attempt to steal God's glory.
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