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Why do Western intellectuals so often despise Sanatana Dharma, and why do they seem to be so dismissive of (practicing) Hindus and Hindu faith? When it comes to Sanatana Dharma, there is certainly none of the romanticizing Western Orientalism that we find with regard to Islam (cf. "Lawrence of Arabia"), Shinto (despite WWII), Chinese religion (witness the highly respectful tone of most Sinology), or even Buddhism (which though originating in Sanatana Dharma is seen in the West as an elite religion). Even Western academics who study Sanskrit no longer seem to admire the religion it embodies, though things may have been different in centuries past. Elite Western antihinduism really does seem to be something "sui generis" -- of its own kind.
I don't have a research-based answer, though I do have a guess. I suspect it is related to a residual iconoclasm in the post-Christian West, especially in Protestant countries. Jewish lore has it that Abraham founded his religion by smashing all the idols in his father's shop. Like most Muslims, Protestant Christians have embraced this inherent iconoclasm. Today it's not only Hindu idols that they smash; they also deface and pull down their own statues. Look at civic art in the West today: except when it explicitly defiles the Western inheritance, it is all abstract. Even Mohammed would approve.
I have told Jewish audiences that elite Western antisemitism has its roots in a civilizational shame at having appropriated the Jewish God. I suspect something similar is at work with regard to antihinduism. Hindu worship is, after all, a reminder of the West's pre-Christian past. The towering classical figures of Western literature (Homer, Herodotus, Aeschylus, Sophocles, Thucydides, Plato, Aristotle, Plutarch, Virgil, Horace, Cicero, etc.) would all have felt quite at home in a Hindu temple. They would have felt equally at home performing puja in a typical Hindu home. Ancient Greco-Roman worship was essentially the same as ancient Hindu worship -- and contemporary Hindu worship. It is Hindus who have kept the classical tradition alive.
There is thus, perhaps, also a deep-seated civilizational shame in the West at having repudiated the religion of our forefathers. Might we instinctively recognize that we have embraced (indeed: appropriated) a Middle Eastern god who is not our own, and adopted Middle Eastern practices (monotheism, iconoclasm, zealotry) that are not native to our culture? At first reading that just sounds crazy, but consider the fact that Christianity has repeatedly sought to cleanse itself of recurring idolatry, just as Persia (another ancient Indo-European culture) has been the focus of repeated cleansings of Islam. Might it be that the West's folk culture has always been in tension with the iconoclasm of elite intellectualism?
The desire to burn a candle in front of an idol (of Mary or a saint), or to burn incense in a home shrine (not just for air purification) seems to run deep in Western folk spirituality.
All of this is of course highly tenuous. But I do find it plausible that there is an inertial cultural complex (not a psychological "race mind") that, having evolved over millennia, still has not after 2000 years fully assimilated the imposition of Christianity. The very fact that the ancient (Pagan) world is considered "classical" indicates that it is still a cultural touchstone for our civilization. Yet the West (and especially the intellectual vanguard of the West) is in perpetual conflict with that classical inheritance. Just look at Nolan's Odyssey to see that. We have inherited a classical literature but we recoil at a classical morality.
Hindus (or at least: the core proponents of mainstream popular Hindu faith) do not recoil at their classical inheritance, or at ours. The morality of the Bhagavad Gita does not differ much from the morality of Plato or of the Iliad, but all of these are completely at odds with the morality taught by Jesus -- or in Western schools. Traditional Christian morality and modern secular morality are very different, but they both represent a repudiation of the Indo-European classical inheritance. In short, Hindus remind us of our purer selves, or at least of our original selves. They represent the faith of the old gods from which we have strayed.
Today, Western intellectuals are clearly able to admire non-Western religions that do not remind them of their own classical inheritance. They seem, however, to display a visceral aversion to Sanatana Dharma, especially in its continuing contemporary practice. Those Western intellectuals of the 18th and 19th centuries who did embrace Sanskrit literature (British orientalism, American transcendentalism, German romanticism) seemed to have done so precisely because they yearned to repudiate their Christian cultural overlay. For today's Western intellectuals, Shinto and Buddhism can feel like refinements, whereas Hindu faith seems retrograde.
The colonized mind, of course, perceives this, but misinterprets the Western intellectual's revulsion at Hindu worship for mere disdain. The post-Hindu anti-Hindu looks down on the Sanatani's faith. But the post-Christian anti-Hindu recoils from it. Whereas post-Hindu intellectuals feel embarrassed by their Hindu inheritance (and Hindu neighbors), post-Christian intellectuals feel humiliated. Hindus are an unwelcome reminder of the religion they have long since lost.
There are of course other elements that feed into Western intellectual antihinduism: colonialism, racism, elitism, fear of the unfamiliar, etc. But its visceral nature seems to me to be much more consistent with shame. I feel personally certain that shame lies at the core of Western antisemitism. I think it likely that a parallel but opposite shame lies at the core of Western antihinduism. With regard to Jews and Judaism, the shame of having appropriated the Hebrew god results in a combination of adulation and hatred. With regard to Hindus and Sanatana Dharma, the shame of having repudiated our own gods results in a combination revulsion and resentment.
There never was a Hindu Holocaust under Western colonialism, yet neither was there much concern over tens of millions of Hindu deaths, whether due to starvation, disease, or Muslim violence. Western intellectuals don't hate Hindus the way so many of them seem to hate Jews. But they do seem to resent the mere existence of Hindus, to the point that they might prefer to see Hindus erased from history. That may sound like an extreme overstatement of Western antihinduism. If you think so, read any Western academic journal of Hindu studies and compare it to those focused on Buddhist, Shinto, Confucian, or even Muslim studies, and you'll see my point.
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I went to France 24 home page expecting to read up on the riots last night and see the police and Macron's response. Instead, I kid you not, the lead story (yes lead) is:-
"Indian opposition parties stage mega rally seeking election chief’s resignation."
Why on earth would French people be interested in this?
The next story is "How far will 'Cockroach' movement go? India's youth-led protests defy Modi government" and "India bans march on parliament by ‘Cockroach’ activists, risking a standoff".
Can't see anything on the riots in France on its home page. Absolutely bizarre.
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Chronology of the Oldest Telugu Inscriptions
1. The Earliest Records with Telugu Words (c.3rd - 2nd BCE)
A. The Malakonda Cave Inscription (c.3rd BCE)
Location: Parvatiguha, Malakonda village, Prakasam district, Andhra Pradesh.
Script: Ashokan-Brahmi.
Language: Prakrit containing Telugu vocabulary.
Linguistic Significance: This inscription records a gift by a donor named Siri Viri Sethi. It describes him as belonging to the "Aravala" (or Aravaha) family. Epigraphists identify Aravalu (or Aruvalu) as an ancient Telugu word used to describe Tamil-speaking people to the south. This is currently regarded as one of the oldest occurrences of a Telugu specific ethno-linguistic term.
B. The Salihundam Potsherd Inscription (c.2nd BCE)
Location: Salihundam Buddhist site, Srikakulam district, Andhra Pradesh.
Type: Inscribed pre-firing pottery fragment (potsherd).
Language/Script: Brahmi script.
The Text: Read as "NAKU DANAM" (literally: "To me, a gift").
Linguistic Significance: This is a crucial milestone for Telugu historical linguistics. The word "Naku" consists of the first-person singular pronoun base prefixed by the Telugu dative case suffix "-ku" (characteristic of ajantabhasha or vowel-ending languages - Telugu, Italian). This represents the oldest known structural and grammatical use of the Telugu dative case.
C. The Bhattiprolu Casket Inscriptions (c.3rd–2nd BCE)
Location: Bhattiprolu, Guntur district, Andhra Pradesh.
Language: Prakrit with early Telugu phonetic influences.
Linguistic Significance: The rosetta found here feature Bhattiprolu Brahmi variant. It contains personal names (such as Budha, Siri, Pratishtha) displaying early linguistic sound patterns that transitioned directly into old Telugu.
D. The Amaravati Stupa Inscription (c.2nd CE)
Location: Amaravati, Guntur district, Andhra Pradesh.
The Text: Features the word "Nagabu" (the serpent).
Linguistic Significance: The suffix "-bu" (which later evolved into "-mu" in classical Telugu) is an early nominal suffix unique to old Telugu. For decades, this was celebrated as the earliest recorded Telugu word before the older Prakasam and Srikakulam discoveries were verified.
2. The First Complete Telugu Inscription (c.575 CE)
While the earlier records contain isolated Telugu words inside Prakrit texts, the honour of the oldest fully Telugu inscription belongs to the Renati Chola dynasty.
Key Details of the Kalamalla Inscription:
Date: c.575 CE.
Issuer: King Erikal Muturaju (who later went on to rule as Dhananjaya Verma of the Renati Choda dynasty).
Location: Chennakesava Temple, Kalamalla village, Yerraguntla Mandal, Kadapa district.
Script: Telugu script.
Significance: This inscription documents land donations and administrative rules entirely in Telugu prose, it marked the birth of Telugu as a formal court and literary language.
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They can marry their cousin,
But they’re not allowed booze.
They can marry a child,
But they can’t marry Jews.
They can beat on their wife,
Til death do they part,
Females must be covered,
You can’t tell them apart.
No listening to music,
They can’t gamble or dance.
Have you seen what is happening,
In UK and France?
Dogs are a big no-no,
Pigs they will not eat.
But it’s not too dirty,
To pray on the street.
They don’t want what we have here,
Assimilate they will not.
Do you not recall history,
Have you quickly forgot?
So friendly and pleasant,
When they first did arrive.
Now the truth has come out,
They don’t want us alive.
But they’ve made it so clear now,
And it might be too late.
They’re turning your country,
Into their caliphate.
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Muslim supremacist calls himself Canadian because he has a passport, then tells her she can’t speak Arabic as a non-Muslim because it is offensive, so he forces the conversation into Hebrew, a language he doesn’t speak.
An Israeli Zionist woman goes on live chat platform where Muslim men harass women and girls, to expose the way they treat Jews especially Jewish women online.
She matched with this Jordanian Muslim. He right away insulted her. So she gave him a short history lesson that almost no one in the West is taught:
The original British Mandate for Palestine included the entire territory that is today Israel, the West Bank, Gaza and the country we now call Jordan. Roughly three-quarters of that original Mandate land became Transjordan (later the Kingdom of Jordan). The large majority of Jordan’s population is of Palestinian Arab origin, the same people who call themselves “Palestinians.”
In other words: there is already a Palestinian-Arab state. It is called Jordan. Gaza is the second piece. The demand for yet another one, on top of the territory already given, is not about “justice.”
It is about refusing to accept any Jewish state at all.
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This is the fantastic story of an Indian who started as a "coolie" and later became the first Indian Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society.
In 1840 a new hire walked into the Madras Observatory to do its lowest job. When he died 40 years later, he was its First Assistant.
Chinthamani Ragoonatha Chary came from a family of almanac makers. The director, T.G. Taylor, took him on around 1840.
Records call the entry job as a porter. Some say coolie.
Anyway, the best part is that he taught himself mathematics on the side.
And, then he climbed, grade by grade....
Director W.S. Jacob sent his paper on personal equation to the Monthly Notices in 1859, the first by an Indian in that journal.
Under Norman Pogson, the new Government Astronomer, he was 4th native assistant; he took and reduced the 2nd observation of the asteroid Asia in April 1861. By the mid 1860s he was 1st Assistant.
In 1867 he proved a faint southern star, R Reticuli, was a variable. Pogson's annual report credits him by name.
He made the chief share of the 38,000 transit-circle observations behind the Madras star catalogue. In 1868 he ran his own eclipse camp at Vunparthy; clouds ruined it, but his computed occultation tables still went to the Monthly Notices.
At the 1871 eclipse at Avinashi (~25 km west of Coimbatore), he measured the corona's prominences with a micrometer.
On 12 January 1872 London elected him FRAS, proposed by Pogson and E.B. Powell, the Director of Public Instruction.
Eclipse pamphlets in regional languages followed. Then a Transit of Venus booklet in 1874, printed in English and 6 Indian languages. The Madras govt alone bought 1,100 copies.
At Pacheappah's Hall in 1874 he urged Indians to fund their own observatory and offered his own instruments to start it. A society was formed. I found no record that the observatory was ever built
My only question is how many in Chennai today have heard his name?
Sources: Rao, Vagiswari, Thakur & Birdie, JAHH 12(3) 2009 (arXiv:0908.3081); Monthly Notices of the RAS obituary, 41(4), 1881, p.180; Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900; MNRAS 32(3):69 election record.
Photo: Portrait, public domain.
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When was “Tamizh” a word representing the language Tamil and its people first got recorded in History in a primary source?
It’s The Dalavaypuram copper plates are a major 9th-century Pandya royal charter associated with King Parantaka Vira Narayana!
//ஆரியம் விராய்த் தமிழ் தொடுத்த மதியோர//- and //செந்தமிழ்ப் பாத்தொடை செய்தோ//-
Was Tamil not there before 9th century! It was definitely there for thousands of years before this record! But as a primary source it’s by 9th century it got into primary registry !
And interestingly this Pandya Vira Narayana is the grandson of Telugu Potapi Chola Sri Kantha(his daughter was married to Pandya)
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Tamil is a exonym that means, it’s always someone who encounters you, name you, we don’t name our own language mostly!
Tamil > Damila> Damida> Dramida is the source basically a Prakrit Damila became Tamil!
But propagandists will claim first we named our Tamizh with super special ழ in it and then started speaking 😁
Pugalur Inscription and Patirruppattu
Historical Evidence or a Later Forced Identification?
1. What Is an Original Sangam Poem? — Main Poetic Text from oral tradition later compiled by experts written in palm manuscripts which decomposes, so regular copying to be done!
2. What Is a Patikam? — This are not attached with poems, its later layers maybe late medieval works which gives the names of the poet and kings names
3. What Is a Colophon (Kolu)? — Later Attributions, Explanations and Interpretations connecting the poem subjects to supposed historical figures!
4. What Is Patirruppattu? — A Literary Anthology, Not a Contemporary History Book
5. What Does the Pugalur Inscription Actually Say? — Three Generations of Rulers but it was reconstructed due to damages and palaeographical dating has variations
6. The Three Royal Names Do Not Match — Pugalur Inscription vs. Patirruppattu
7. Who Were the Poets? — Names Supplied by Patikams, Without Independent Contemporary Attestation
8. The Critical Problem of Circular Reasoning — Dating Poems Through Unproven methodology, as if the poets witnessed the battle scenes and gave a running commentary is ridiculous claim !
No poet can write sitting in battle field, that shows its a later fictional work by an expert writer
9. The Modern Identification — R. Panneerselvam (1968) and Iravatham Mahadevan (1971), two over enthusiasts and powerful guy force fitted even though inscription and poem name did not match,
10. What Does Pugalur Really Prove? — An Ancient Inscription Cannot Independently Date Poems Through an Unproven Identification
This is like saying Kalki’s Ponniyen Selvan novel written about Raja Raja chola is thousand years old! See the novel has Raja Raja name and see this is the inscription 😊
Hope you got the circular reference with this analogy
Central Argument: A disputed identification is used to date the poems, and the resulting date is then presented as independent confirmation of that same identification. This is circular reasoning, not independent historical corroboration.
Note: Tamils showering me hate with unpleasant words are flowers to me, because I know they are victims to the false pride propaganda of yesteryear Tamil language Movement mafia
Anyone who is seriously interested can come for discussion, question me and that will make me to find loopholes in my argument
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You can refute your objections here or acknowledge the anomalies in the force fitting and circular reference bro
I request all who read this to download the image and read leisurely, take notes,go back to books and if you find there is discrepancies between what is claimed by Tamils and reality, then you have to enter next stage of investigation..
Hope whoever does that have enough wherewithal to face the storms, if you are employed and anyway connected with any Tamil organisation, please let it go
Next stage is tedious work of visiting real places cajoling people to give real original documents and mostly nothing is available! Yes even the alternate readings of most famous inscriptions which don’t suit the Tamil narrative have been destroyed!
Even the original first Telugu inscription supposedly safe in Madras Museum is missing! Yes missing!
If you go to Egmore Museum, you can see the reality of discrimination!
AP govt should get hold of all the historical sculptures including the most famous Amaravati section and move to Amaravati AP where It belongs !
Telugus who has deep attachment with their heritage,who are sensitive and emotional please do not go to Chennai Egmore Museum, it’s just like seeing Orukallu or Hampi, a modern day negligence!
Now is the stage to contacting and writing to institutions individual scholars to get their feedback on the subject matter! Yes you will be surprised to see, what Tamil propaganda says here and what the real scholar says! There are many paid scholars too! The supposed Tamil scholar Hurt doesn’t even know Tamil that means to read a sangam poetry and interpret but his Wife Kowsalya do all the work required! Thats the quality of professionalism
From Fake coins, archeologist’s fake reports, forced interpretations, using carbon dating to push artefacts not in that layer, post fired scribbles on potsherds, foreign scholars with chair offer, even PM Modi made the fall here!
Yes it’s more political than real politics!
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How a civilisational nation can be destroyed without defeating its army!
Critical lesson for Indians in these times from Douglas Kruger, who uses Poland in this case study:
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Tribal people in Jharkhand have had enough. At a press conference held at the Ranchi Press Club by members of the Kendriya Sarna Samiti, they issued a strict warning to Christian missionaries celebrating indigenous tribal festivals like Karam inside churches. They categorically stated that the primary adversary of tribals in India are Christian missionaries.
Kendriya Sarna Samiti Representative): "We want to warn Christian missionaries: you have already converted; you have abandoned your indigenous customs, traditions, culture, and customary systems. If you forcibly attack or hurt our rituals and traditions, we will not tolerate it. And under any circumstances, if Karam is celebrated inside a church, you must be prepared to face the consequences.
We want to state in very clear terms—you have made a mockery of this. Your entire tradition and ritual system revolves around Fathers, Sisters, and Brothers. Our customs and traditions run on the systems of Pahan (traditional priest) and Panbhara. And yet you claim to be Adivasis?
You have made a joke out of Jharkhand! We will not tolerate this.
Now you have even started celebrating Sarhul, wearing our traditional attire, and dancing to the Mandar (traditional drum). What kind of spectacle have you created?"
Soma Oraon (Tribal Leader): "We are warning the Cardinal... We warn the Cardinal that whatever attempts you made to turn Jharkhand into a Christian republic are in the past. Soma is telling you: mend your ways now. For as long as you exploited us—trying to destroy our customs, worship practices, and heritage in every way—we will expose all your misdeeds.
From your biggest figures like former minister Bandhu Tirkey to church workers, we are exposing everyone, and through this press conference, we sound a clear warning.
If by mistake you plant the Karam branch inside the church, we will not protest on that exact day.
Let me make it clear: we are peaceful people. And since you are a Cardinal and this government favors you, whatever you ask of the Honorable Chief Minister, he will do.
But on the very next day, with musical instruments, liquor (handia) offerings, drums (dhol-nagara), sacred pots (kalsa), rice (chaur), and vermilion (sindoor), we will march to that church. We will enter. If you lock the gates, right there at the locked entrance we will sacrifice a rooster, offer handia, apply vermilion and sacred rice, sprinkle it all around the perimeter, and declare that church a Dhumkuria (traditional Oraon youth dormitory).
So consider this a warning: if you want to heed it, wake up. If you want to reform, reform now. Otherwise, go ahead and celebrate it in your prominent churches this time. If we do not sacrifice a rooster the next day and declare it a Dhumkuria, my name is not Soma Oraon!
Whatever you did to mislead the tribal and indigenous people in the past will no longer work. Your intention of turning Jharkhand into a Christian republic is finished.
That is why I state in many interviews that if tribal and indigenous communities have any primary adversary in Jharkhand, India, or the world, it is Christian missionaries. I don't just have one piece of evidence—I have thousands of documents to prove it.
So beware... My senior colleagues have covered everything. My core point is: stop instigating tribes, converting them, and trying to build a Christian state.
If you have become Christian, then follow Christian rituals and the Indian Christian Marriage Act of 1872. Nobody is stopping you. But will you take ST reservations, minority benefits, foreign reservations, and FCRA funding all for yourselves while we are left with nothing?
We are educated now, we understand everything, and we are studying all of this closely. So consider yourselves warned!"

























