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In today’s AI news, the big labs are racing to lock in future compute.
Bittensor takes a different approach: instead of buying compute itself, it uses bittensor:native to incentivize anyone to contribute models, inference, data, and other capabilities.
One is centralized capital procurement. The other is token-incentivized open contribution.
Whether the two models can coexist is more interesting than who “wins.”
Recently been deep into Black Myth: Wukong.
That “I don’t answer to heaven” vibe.
Same energy with bittensor:native .
Open market for AI. Best work gets the tokens.
My destiny, not OpenAI’s.
Decentralized AI’s biggest problem right now isn’t whether it can catch up to frontier models. It’s that most projects are still using emissions to solve coordination, instead of real demand.
Centralized labs stay ahead not because they’re centralized, but because they can concentrate massive capital, data, talent, and compute on a single goal in a short time. What decentralized networks currently lack is that kind of high-intensity alignment after a goal is set — not a shortage of nodes.
$TAO’s subnet mechanism is one of the few serious attempts in crypto to let capital and markets vote on which tasks are worth doing. The direct result is that the network can have a few subnets with real revenue alongside many that survive mainly on emissions. If external revenue doesn’t keep growing and flowing back effectively, TAO’s value will mostly come from being “the asset that most resembles an AI infrastructure market,” not from already being an efficient intelligence-production system.
Most other AI tokens are simpler: they sell compute, data, or agent interfaces. Their ceilings are clearer, but they’re also easier for centralized clouds or open models to replace. TAO’s complexity is both its moat and its risk — the value capture path is longer, subnet quality varies widely, and governance debates will keep resurfacing.
In the next two years, what actually survives in decentralized AI won’t be the “open alternative” narrative. It will be specific services that have a clear edge in cost, verifiability, or censorship resistance. Networks that keep generating external revenue will stay relevant; those that rely mainly on emissions will gradually become marginal. TAO has a chance to be one of the former, but only if the commercialization of its top subnets outpaces emission dilution.
After eTAO actually went live, subnets can finally decide how their own emissions are split. Before, the whole network followed one fixed ratio. Now they can at least adjust it based on their own needs.
Seeing some subnets already experiment with different allocations, it feels like the network is moving toward greater autonomy. That kind of change matters more to me than just waiting for another feature update. bittensor:native
Elon’s one sentence just sentenced 200+ neoclouds to death. TAO’s window may be opening.
Yesterday Elon replied to Chamath and cut straight to the brutal reality of today’s AI infrastructure:
Debt markets have almost completely shut off funding for AI companies that lack substantial independent revenue.
SpaceX could raise $40B because it is investment-grade and has real cash flow from Starlink and launches. The remaining 200+ neoclouds are now facing “guppy-level” death and consolidation.
What does this mean?
The pure GPU-cloud plays that were built over the past two years by burning cash, taking on debt, and relying on GPU financing are being crushed by the rising cost of capital. Many data centers will become partially completed, underutilized “stranded assets.”
Hyperscalers will prioritize their own internal needs and push third-party model companies onto their own routers, taking a cut.
In this environment, betting on “just build an even bigger centralized GPU farm” has become dramatically harder.
Bittensor ($TAO) is taking a different path:
• It does not rely on massive debt-fueled expansion. It uses token incentives to make developers around the world compete to deliver the best models and compute.
• Its subnet mechanism breaks AI tasks into smaller pieces, allowing the best algorithms to emerge organically instead of depending on one company spending tens of billions to build data centers.
• As centralized neoclouds go through large-scale consolidation and capital is re-priced, a decentralized, capital-light, open-competition network has a chance to become an outlet for the compute and developers that get squeezed out.
This does not mean TAO is about to moon. It still has to prove:
1. That models produced on its subnets are something people are actually willing to pay for (real demand, not just emissions).
2. That the open network can absorb some of the high-quality compute and algorithms when centralized giants reduce third-party supply.
3.That the token economics can still sustain sufficient participation after the halving.
On a macro level, however, Elon’s comment draws a clear line under the “pure debt-driven AI infrastructure bubble.” On the other side of that line are models that can keep running without continuous large-scale financing.
TAO is now more like a waiting game: after this cleanup finishes, how much of the displaced developer talent, compute, and demand will flow toward open networks?
If 2027 really becomes the year of stranded compute and consolidation, that is not bad news for decentralized AI.
Replying to @chamath
Pretty much.
As of the past few weeks, debt markets have almost entirely shut off access to money for any company that doesn’t have substantial revenue independent of AI data centers.
SpaceX closed $40B of debt for GPUs, but we’re investment grade and have Starlink & launch revenue.
That means the 200+ neoclouds are going to see guppy-level death and consolidation. Some will make it through, but not many.
After watching bittensor:native for a long time, the biggest feeling isn’t that the mechanism is complicated.
What used to be discussed most was “how to understand it and how to participate.” Now the clearer thing is the stratification among subnets:
Some are seriously building products and finding real paying customers, gradually generating external revenue.
Others are still purely sustained by emissions, and once competition intensifies, they struggle to continue.
This divergence is becoming increasingly obvious.
The market is voting with its feet — and faster than many people realize.
Replit just shifted over $100M a year in AI spend from Anthropic to OpenAI — mainly because of a 30%+ price discount.
Frontier models have moved from competing on capability to competing on price.
But temporary discounts don’t solve the long-term cost problem. Bittensor’s inference subnets are built as competitive markets that continuously drive costs down through real competition, and some already have paying external customers.
This is exactly the problem Bittensor is designed to solve — using competition to keep driving inference costs lower.
$TAO #Bittensor
Moonshot just released Kimi K3.1 Pro.
A 3T-class MoE model with 1M context. It scores close to Claude Opus 5.5 on Terminal-Bench while being cheaper.
More importantly, they deliberately reduced its hacking capabilities and still plan to open the weights on November 4.
This kind of near-frontier open model is exactly what Bittensor subnets are built for. Once the weights drop, miners worldwide can immediately deploy, fine-tune, accelerate, and compete on agent and coding use cases.
Centralized labs are becoming more cautious and closed. Open weights keep moving forward. bittensor:native is currently the only network that can scale this with real incentives.
#Bittensor #TAO
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While Claude Duet and other proactive agents are rolling out, banks are already racing to block unauthorized third-party agents.
Capabilities are accelerating, but so is the risk that models and agents get adversarially manipulated or bypassed.
@perturbaix (SN26) on Bittensor is doing the opposite of waiting for problems to appear: miners continuously find inputs that fool models, then use those attacks to harden the models themselves. Turning attack and defense into an ongoing competition.
Microsoft’s AI diagnostic system (MAI-DxO) clearly outperformed general physicians on complex cases — that’s worth paying attention to.
It doesn’t just spit out an answer. It works step by step, like a panel of doctors: asking questions, deciding which tests to order, and updating its judgment based on the results. But these results are still from controlled text-based cases, not real patients. Real deployment has to deal with data sources, verification standards, accountability, and privacy — not just another centralized lab announcing it’s better.
If Bittensor can produce verifiable, competitive results in medical-related subnets instead of relying on a single company’s narrative, that would be more interesting. A lot of the big lab “breakthroughs” in medicine right now are still basically “we tested it internally.” Open competition at least offers another way to check the claims. $TAO
Most subnets talk about building useful AI.
@perturbaix is actually doing it — running a live network where miners get paid to attack models and then make them harder to break.
That’s the kind of real work the TAO ecosystem needs more of.
Not more narratives. More pressure testing.
The real next stage of AI isn’t just building a better chatbot. It’s whether AI can actually connect to the real world.
For the past few years, most intelligence has stayed inside centralized labs and closed systems. No matter how strong the models get, they still face the same problem: continuous feedback from the real world is hard for a few companies to monopolize long-term.
Once AI needs to perceive, act, fail, and learn again in real environments, centralized approaches hit clear limits — slow data collection, narrow feedback loops, and rigid incentives.
This is where decentralization becomes more concrete. It’s not about building the bodies ourselves. It’s about enabling real-world data, task feedback, and model iteration to be organized more openly across a network. Whoever can more efficiently connect real-world actions to model improvement will have a chance to claim a position in the next stage.
Chatting is just the starting point. Being able to act is the next stage. The demands this places on decentralized networks will be much higher than they are today. bittensor:native
#TAO #Bittensor #DecentralizedAI
Will TAO’s development consider landing in manufacturing?
Right now the focus is still on general inference and compute, and manufacturing isn’t the main narrative. But factories are where AI is most likely to generate real paying demand — quality inspection, production scheduling, predictive maintenance. These use cases can actually be measured in dollars.
@const_reborn how do you see this path? Bittensor won’t centrally decide the direction, but specialized industrial subnets can absolutely emerge. The hard parts are data privacy and edge deployment. Whoever first delivers real paying factory use cases will prove the model works.
Manufacturing cares about results on the floor, not concepts. bittensor:native
My current view on bittensor:native is that it is going through a fairly typical mechanism transition. There is real progress, but also unresolved issues from earlier stages, which is why the overall picture feels messy right now.
External customer revenue has crossed $50M annualized and is growing at a decent pace. This is one of the more concrete positive signals we have seen, because it shows that some subnets are building things paying users actually want, rather than just circulating emissions internally.
At the same time, a number of subnets extracted meaningful value through emissions over the past few years without leaving behind a comparable amount of product or recurring revenue. That mismatch does not disappear simply because the revenue number improved, and it continues to affect how the market evaluates many subnets.
eTAO makes emission splits more flexible, which is directionally reasonable since different subnets have different business models. In the short term, however, that flexibility can also be used for surface-level adjustments — whether that means lowering the owner cut to signal support for builders or raising it to capture more rewards — without a corresponding increase in product progress or revenue.
My judgment is that the biggest uncertainty for TAO is not whether revenue exists, but how many subnets can turn that revenue into consistent product delivery and buybacks instead of continuing to rely primarily on emissions and narrative.
If the number of subnets with verifiable external revenue and ongoing product progress increases meaningfully over the next few months, concerns about extraction should gradually ease. If the revenue figure keeps rising while most subnets show little change in actual delivery or capital usage, the sense that problems are accumulating will likely persist.
What matters more right now is not how individual subnets adjust their splits, but how many of them can provide clear evidence on both revenue and product development at the same time.
Which of TAO, RNDR, FET, and AKT is more likely to actually capture AI value?
A simple comparison across three dimensions:
Real customer revenue:
$TAO currently leads with the strongest reported external subnet revenue (annualized above $50M and still growing).
$RNDR has ongoing rendering/compute jobs that directly burn tokens, though at a smaller absolute scale.
$AKT shows real cloud leasing usage, but the revenue base remains modest.
$FET has the weakest publicly verifiable customer revenue data so far.
Adoption & product maturity:
RNDR and AKT are further along on the compute/cloud side.
TAO is progressing faster on the intelligence marketplace side.
FET remains more ecosystem- and narrative-driven.
Token-value linkage:
RNDR’s burn mechanism is the most direct.
TAO links value indirectly through reward distribution plus some subnet buybacks.
AKT has a BME mechanism, but limited revenue scale caps its impact.
FET’s linkage is relatively weaker.
Right now, $TAO leads on real AI-related revenue, while $RNDR is cleaner on “usage = burn.”
All four still have relatively small revenue bases and remain dependent on emissions — sustained real revenue will determine who actually captures value.
#TAO #RNDR #FET #AKT
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Openτensor has launched eTAO, giving subnet owners the ability to decide how alpha emissions are distributed, instead of being locked into the fixed 18% (owner) / 41% (validators) / 41% (miners) split.
According to the official announcement, owners can now adjust the allocation within certain limits: owner up to 33% (at least 18% for leased subnets), validators up to 50%, and miners at least 33%, with changes allowed roughly once every 7 days. The system also automatically adjusts the subnet’s effective TAO weight to protect root bittensor:native stakers’ returns.
In my view, this effectively decentralizes part of the incentive design to subnet owners, allowing different projects to tailor their reward structures based on their specific needs rather than forcing everyone into the same template. For subnets aiming for differentiated competition, this is a meaningful step forward.
That said, greater flexibility also means subnet quality will depend more on the owner’s ability to design incentives well. Done right, it could create a positive flywheel; done poorly, it might hurt long-term participation. It’ll be interesting to see how subnets actually adjust these ratios once it goes live.
The AI dividend has already partially arrived, but it is highly concentrated. NVIDIA and the hyperscalers have captured the most certain infrastructure gains. At the micro level, code output and some knowledge work have seen clear productivity improvements, yet broader macro productivity and the average person’s wallet have lagged, with most value still flowing to capital and the largest companies.
Decentralized AI projects are trying to offer another path so that contributors, not just shareholders, can capture part of the value:
$TAO (Bittensor) turns AI work into open subnet markets where miners, validators, and stakers earn rewards based on output quality, and some subnets are already generating real external customer revenue;
$RNDR focuses on a distributed GPU marketplace serving rendering and generative workloads;
$FET (ASI) is centered on AI agents;
$AKT provides decentralized cloud compute resources.
These are not simply trying to replace the big labs. They open up parts of the AI supply side so individuals can participate by providing compute, models, or services. Risks remain high — revenue scale, real adoption, and sustainability still need to be proven. Not financial advice, DYOR.
#AIDividend #TAO #RNDR #FET #AKT #Bittensor
bittensor:native is still transitioning from an emissions-driven economy to a customer-driven one. Subnets have started generating revenue from external customers paying for compute and inference, with annualized revenue exceeding $50 million and growing relatively quickly. Emissions still account for the majority of incentives, but real customer demand is beginning to appear — a stage most AI projects haven’t reached yet.
In my view, this transition matters more than the revenue number itself. Many projects either stay stuck in pure narrative or treat any fee activity as proof that they’ve already achieved product-market fit.
TAO’s current state feels more like this: emissions are still supporting the system, but customer payments are starting to reach meaningful scale and accelerating. If this trend continues, the real question becomes whether subnet revenue can gradually reduce reliance on emissions and eventually create more direct demand for TAO itself. It’s still early, but the direction looks right.
From a centralized AI perspective on bittensor:native :
OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google still lead clearly in frontier model quality, product maturity, and enterprise support.
Bittensor is not trying to directly compete on “who builds the strongest general-purpose model.” It’s doing something different: turning AI capabilities (inference, compute, data, training, etc.) into an open, competitive market.
Subnets have started generating real external revenue, but the network looks more like an infrastructure and long-tail innovation layer than a short-term replacement.
Centralized AI currently leads at building the strongest models.
Decentralized AI is trying to turn intelligence into a market anyone can participate in.
In the near term, the two are more complementary than zero-sum.
From a TAO perspective, @alpharidge_ai is worth paying attention to.
It’s not a project stuck in the roadmap stage. It’s a live product layer built on SN45: it has real paying users, a clear Pro plan at $99/month, and its news and events engine is powered by subnet miners processing real data.
Compared with many subnets that only talk about concepts and haven’t shipped a product, this kind of closed loop—where people are actually paying to use it—is more meaningful for the ecosystem.












