Feel free to share for Human/Forerunner debate For any 343 shills that try to gatekeep the lore because it doesn’t work with 343’s or simply don’t believe it exists, I want you to take a peek at this information before checking the videos and pic below. The following was all released in 2007, the same year Halo 3 (script looked over by Joe Staten the lead writer) concluded and Joseph Staten’s book Contact Harvest released. The video is from Bungie’s official Halo CE Directors Commentary featuring Joseph Staten, Jason Jones and Marty O’Donnel. Listen to Sparks dialogue and what they had to say about it. In the next we have Truth and Sparks quotes from the end of Halo 3. Now I want you to link these keywords “left behind” to the last image. A page straight out of Joseph Staten’s book Contact Harvest which contains a plot point that’s very important to the Human/Covenant war itself. A plot point that not only shows up in the games but is continued for the book Contact Harvest. The book contains so much lore that you could very much say it’s just as important, if not moreso than Halo: The Fall of Reach. Even 343 has used the contents for Halo 2A’s terminals since it has the complete lore for about every species of the Covenant AND more. I’ll be sure to attach Regret’s quote from Halo 2 below the post in case you believe that games out of the picture (storyboards unrelated because I’m using content from in game to provide further evidence despite it being that obvious). Above all, the following information makes Halo’s story even better considering the fact that the Covenant has essentially been killing their own gods while the Prophets were aware. And it’s far from cliche, in fact making Chief lucky due to the Librarian’s geneseed (Destiny essentially) and making alien forerunners hate humans for being human is far more cliche. The only portion of media I can virtually think of that involves humans being direct descendants of an ancient alien world, movement, etcetra is Stargate. And I’ve seen alot of movies and played a ton of games from all of the main gaming platforms. And honestly, if you simply agree the lore exists and say you comprehend it but appreciate 343’s more, then there would be far less debates and arguments than there should be. We don’t agree with the new lore because despite humanity being revealed as Forerunners, the mystery still remained. And then pandoras box was opened with 4 and has been remained so ever since. Before 4 we knew nothing about their society, how it worked, who the leaders were, yadayadayada. Sometimes things are just better left in the dark. That being said, I’d even agree with everything being kept a secret to ensure mystery like Marcus Lehto wished for. But like I said, the lore just further improves the Covenant war and story that much more. Please keep this in mind and think about that.

Why should split-screen co-op for Halo, let alone any game in general, be a debate?? This should be the standard for a good majority of games. Why would we lower them?

“Halo 4’s multiplayer isn’t COD” Alright, so care to explain the addition of customizable loadouts, perks, score streaks, killcams, hit markers and sprint as the default rather than an armor ability? Oh, not to mention Spartan Ops (Spec Ops) replacing the standard Firefight. Halo 4 sought out to seek trends and spread to a “broader audience”. And all it did was push the fans who loved and cared about the franchise away. Same could be said for Halo 5 with its lootboxes and Titanfall/Advanced Warfare mechanics. So in conclusion, if you still believe we’re making this up even after seeing this, then you should probably go to the local eye doctor and look into a pair of glasses lmao.

This is the worst comparison to make and I’ll tell you why. Doom 2 still had the same Doom Marine model and artstyle, this is just Doom Eternal’s version of Doom Guy off the Doom 2 box-art. Doom 3 was a complete reboot. Doom 64 was made by Midway games, not by ID. Doom 2016 was originally supposed to be a reboot, but got turned into a continuation of the original’s in Eternal. And Eternal is closer to being a return to form more than anything since it keeps the style of the classic games. The only discourse regarding Doom’s artstyle starts with Doom 3. Which I say is entirely justified for its artstyle since it’s a reboot. Can’t say the same for Halo 4 since it’s not, it’s a continuation. You’re comparing apples to oranges here.

Poor argument, unfortunately you are using weapon VARIATIONS that still stick with a consistent artstyle that fits Bungie’s games. Here’s something you can’t make an excuse for. The Covie’s in 343’s games. You could make the excuse that they were different species (VARIANTS) than the originals in Bungie’s titles right? If that’s the case, then why is the Arbiter in this artstyle and not the original hm? Do the aliens “evolve” now? Why are the ancient statues in Sanghelios in 343’s artstyle and not the original? See, what you’ve been doing is showing a comparison between weapon VARIATIONS. What I’ve been doing is showing how the entire identity and anatomy of things changed that looks like it came from a COMPLETELY different franchise than Halo to begin with xD. You’re just making yourself look worse here buddy, why embarrass yourself? lol

Let’s try this one more time, one of 343’s worst offenses was butchering the artstyle. This should not be a debate.

Halo was best from the people that made the franchise exceptional to begin with. Anyone that says otherwise is a 343 shill and is filled with more nostalgia than anyone in the room.

Imagine hating Bungie Halo fans so much that you spam drop gay Halo porn of their favorite character getting railed on a discord server. 343 shills are on another level, especially @ThelVanDamne. 💀