Also, we do not mock ‘z’ and ‘j’. We are not tang-dast miskeen with a fixed borrowed vocabulary.
There is an entire genre of Hindustani music called thumri (heavily patronised by the Urduvi gentry) that followsed this usage.
Sanjay Leela Bhansali, in his film Heeramandi, romanticises a Pakistani prostitution area and, as always, attributes (Hindustani Awadhi) Indian Muslim aesthetics to it to make it bearable to watch: "Nazariya Ki Maari, Mari Mori Guiyyan…"
This clip below is from the film Pakeezah (just don't want to bring that filthy film to your timeline).
What I am saying is that, once again, we are not miskeen. Our literary tradition is far too vast for the borrowers of the Lakhnawi register to comprehend.
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there’s actually an Indian Muslim guide taking Japanese tourists deep into Indo-Islamic history explaining everything in Japanese
Surprised @Rustum_0 @salimmirzasnxb
Indian Muslims don't realize these mullahs actually work for state and promote state narrative. They used to promote pro Taliban narrative when Punjabi establishment told them , now same Punjabi mullahs criticise Taliban for Punjabis. They link Pakistani army with imam Mehdi.
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Bsdk english speakers literally colonised American continent, genocided the natives & then established English, along with their own documentation of the language. If urdu spk from India ever invade Pak & replace the natives demographically only then can Pak claim Urdu.
The quoted post deserves to be bookmarked as a masterpiece of absurdity. The only argument being presented is that Urdu developed in India, therefore Indian Muslims are its rightful owners and Pakistani Muslims are not.
Urdu developed centuries before Partition when the territories that now constitute India and Pakistan were part of British India. Partition didn't erase the cultural inheritance of the populations on either side of the new border. If Pakistan had remained part of India now, would Urdu have belonged to all Indian Muslims or exclusively to Muslims of particular regions and cities? If the latter is true, then apply the same standards here and stop claiming that Urdu is the language of all Indian Muslims.
Again, the demand for a Pakistani polity that contributed to Urdu's development is perhaps the most absurd part of this argument considering Pakistan emerged in 1947, whereas Urdu's development predates it by centuries. A population does not need to have invented a language or established a sovereign state to inherit its cultural traditions. Besides, Lahore became a significant centre of modern Urdu literary development. If contributions from present-day Pakistani territory are the criterion, Lahore is a pertinent example.
English originated in England and is historically tied to the English but that does not make it the exclusive cultural heritage of the English. You'd never see them fighting Americans, Australians and Canadians, who equally regard English as part of their cultural heritage without claiming to have invented it. Now apply the same logic to Urdu.
Shared heritage does not require shared invention and Urdu's historical origins in the subcontinent and its inheritance by Indian and Pakistani Muslims are perfectly compatible.
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“Urdu is a shared heritage”
Urdu developed within India as a higher register of Hindustani (like Parisian French to general French).
It’s strictly tied to Hindustani/Dakhni Muslim ethnicity like English is tied to the Englishmen, not a shared heritage.
You can disprove (++)
Unfortunately, many people in the quotes and comments seem incapable of grasping the central argument of this post. My point was simply that Urdu is part of the shared heritage of the subcontinent and if Indian Muslims have a legitimate claim to it, so do Pakistani Muslims and one doesn't cancel out the other.
The imposition of Urdu in Pakistan, as noted by Sir John Lawrence in 1851, later Lieutenant Governor of Punjab.
He stated that Urdu was an alien tongue in the region, but since most EIC officials were familiar with it, they chose to promote it as the lingua franca.
Telugu actor Vijay Deverakonda wishes to travel back in time and beat Emperor Aurangzeb for executing Sambhaji.
Meanwhile...
Nawab Husain Dost Khan (b. c. 1690s), the lord governor of Trichinopoly, could speak no language other than Hindustani (Urdu).
Thinking of making a film where Shashi Tharoor travels back to the 19th century, meets Sir Syed Ahmad Khan, and together they travel to the 18th century to recruit Mirza I'tesamuddin.
All three then travel to England to explain to Anglo-Saxon farmers that English is not their heritage, nor do they own the language. Rather, it belongs to the three of them.
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What does a Gangetic Muslim and a Malayali Muslim have in common?
The very epic of the Indo-Muslim civilisation begins along the shores of Malabar.
Shahnamah-e Hind, the monumental Urdu poetic saga of Indo-Muslim civilisation begins with the legend of Zamorin (king of Malabar) witnessing upon the splitting moon.
Shared memory are what define and establish civilisational allegiance, and that is what Muslims of Malabar share with fellow Muslims of India.
Read and save this thread. How many Muslims had the right to vote and actually voted in the 1946 general elections.
Most irrefutable and concrete evidence!
ML vote hardly 10-11% of muslim adults and muslim adult males. (1/n)
Those objecting on population to electorate ratio, we have universal first adult franchise elections of 1951 for United Province Assembly in 1951. (closest to 1946)
Size of electorate was 31700151 (Image2)
Population of UP (1951): 60274000 (Image 3)
Population to elecotrate ratio: 52.59% (extremely comparable)
Muslim Population in 1941 (Image 4):
4,574,393 males and 4,117,485 female, 8,691,878 (will be a bit higher in 1946 )
Size of ADULT MUSLIM Electorate: 4,571,059 , using the same ratio.
By this calculation and using actual votes ML got, we get max 10 to 11%. (See 2/n below)
Sources: You have to pay to get it.
Statistical election report 1951: scribd.com/document/79285089…
Census of India
1941 Census: censusindia.gov.in/nada/inde…
1951 Census: censusindia.gov.in/nada/inde…
It's the rural corruption of "Rahmat-e Ilahi" (lit. the mercy of God) - a term that was used for the peasant and shepherd class of the Indian Muslims - as opposed to gentry.
During the Akbarid era, we find them among the significant landowners in regions such as Angh, Chandipur Bhadar, Majhaura, Nizamabad, Mahoba, and Maudha.
This illustrates the greater upward mobility available within the Muslim social order compared to that of lower-ranking groups within other Indian segments.
How many of you have ever heard the word "Ramtulahi" in your life, even just once?
30%I have
70%I have not
243 votes • Final resultsA Lucknawi Urdu poet composed a 300 page masnavi (poem) glorifying Hazrat Isa (Jesus Christ).
Iqtidar-ud Daulah Bahadur (b. 1761)
Philosophy, poetry and prose from our history remain almost unknown, with virtually no attempt to dig them, digitise, transliterate, translate, publish and publicise them.
The greatest effort in this field was made under colonial rule, and that too [mostly] merely listed texts and their authors--nothing more.






























