Or...just Maybe...if a woman continually shouts no if you do something she does not consent to, like removing a condom and anally raping her, then stop what you are doing?
I mean, do men normally ask consent to do something during the sex act?
โCan I please do you doggy styleโ.
โCan you please give me a blow jobโ.
โCan I please touch your breastsโ
I think you get the picture.
I mean I always thought consensual sex was spontaneous, you just go with the flow and wherever it takes you and a man isnโt having to ask a hundred and one questions during it.
It seems that men will now have to seek consent for every little thing they do or want to do.
Maybe men are just best off settling for their right hand, or left whatever the case may be.
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Roy Keane is Irish. The poppy can cause deep division in Ireland. Probably didn't want to stoke anything and those who fought and died for our freedom includes the freedom to choose.
Just noticed that Roy Keane decided not to wear the poppy yesterday on Remembrance Sunday for the Manchester United match. Quite disappointing for a man who owes his entire career to the UK and English sport. I think it should be made a rule for broadcasters around the country that on Remembrance Sunday, all pundits should be asked to wear the poppy; if they choose not to wear it, then they have to sit out that weekend.
Extremely disrespectful to those paying his wages...
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Shelly ๐น๐ป๐ฝโฝ๏ธ๐ฅ retweeted
The only person responsible for Russell Brandโs children not having their father around is Brand.
The only person responsible for a rape is the man who chooses to rape.
Shame on anyone who defends that predator.
Shame on those who enabled it.
Someone hasn't followed the case and listened to the testimony at all. And it shows.
I got to say if Russell Brand was facing trial in the United States for so-called rape and sexual assault he would be found not guilty. Its nothing but hearsay and no evidence of DNA whatsoever. I am happy that I live in the United States where we have a high standard of reasonable doubt. #Russellbrand #notguilty #uk #usa #Andersonuntilprovenguilty #America
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Shelly ๐น๐ป๐ฝโฝ๏ธ๐ฅ retweeted
A lot of men on this app are basically arguing that if they're having consensual sex with a woman and start performing a different sexual act and she says no and tells them to stop, they should be allowed to continue that non-consensual act and it shouldn't count as rape. Unreal.
Read.
Iโm sorry, but I feel like I need to make this post. Both my parents suffered sexual abuse.
My mother was abused by her stepfather. My father was raped as a child in a care home for orphans.
I have a friend who was raped repeatedly by her father telling her how much he loved her and that she reminded him of her dead mother, and another friend raped by her very own uncle.
So watching people on ๐ defend a convicted rapist and blame the women who came forward genuinely disgusts me. It also makes me question whether they understand the meaning of consent.
This isnโt a joke to me. It disgusts me.
Before claiming Russell Brand was โset up by the systemโ, perhaps take five minutes to research the evidence that convicted him.
In 2009, Brand met a 21-year-old woman at a comedy show. She subsequently went to his home.
Their sexual encounter initially began consensually. But consent to one act is NOT consent to another.
She described being subjected to anal rape, leaving her with physical and psychological injuries.
She disclosed what happened shortly afterwards. The jury heard evidence from people she told at the time, including family and friends. Medical records and a nurseโs statement also supported her account of seeking medical attention and reporting what happened.
This wasnโt simply an allegation invented 17 years later.
And the investigation went considerably further.
According to the Metropolitan Police:
โข Over 100 witnesses traced and interviewed.
โข More than 400 witness statements taken.
โข Over 1,400 documents reviewed.
โข Historical photographs, floor plans and timelines examined.
โข Hundreds of hours of Brandโs interviews, television appearances and performances reviewed.
Police also reported that Brand initially claimed not to recognise the women involved, before his account changed as the case approached trial.
These figures cover the entire investigation, not just the rape conviction.
The jury also heard evidence concerning three other women.
Brand was convicted of sexually assaulting an MTV worker, a Choice FM employee and a Channel 4 worker.
The jury also ACQUITTED him of three other charges.
Think about that before claiming the jury simply convicted him because he was famous or unpopular.
They considered separate allegations and returned different verdicts.
Brand himself admitted in court to using his fame to facilitate sexual access, while maintaining that his encounters were consensual.
But being famous, having a sexual relationship with someone or having previously obtained consent gives nobody the right to sexually assault them.
And finally, to those arguing that women shouldnโt be allowed to prosecute historical sexual offences because too much time has passed:
As I said yesterday in a previous post. Would you tell a 32-year-old who was raped by their uncle at 12 that theyโve missed their opportunity for justice?
Would you say the same to someone who finally found the courage to speak up at 50?
Of course, every defendant deserves a fair trial. But victims deserve access to justice too.
Russell Brand received a four-week trial. The jury heard the evidence and unanimously convicted him of rape and three sexual assaults. He has not been targeted by the matrix as Andrew Tate likes to put it.
You are entitled to question a verdict or support an appeal.
But stop blaming victims, dismissing evidence you havenโt examined and pretending that the passage of time makes rape somehow acceptable.
Rape doesnโt have an expiry date. Justice shouldnโt either.
Very few have done any research on this website. They immediately jump to defend Russell Brand who is now a convicted rapist. And I am adamant many more will come forward now.
I might mute the word Russell and brand so I can now move on with my day.
I guess having two daughters makes me feel quite emotional about this, as well as what happened to both of my parents and some of my friends.
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Shelly ๐น๐ป๐ฝโฝ๏ธ๐ฅ retweeted
I just want to remind everyone whoโs losing his shit about the Russell Brand conviction that eight of the jurors were male. Men almost never vote to convict a rapist unless the victim was visibly injured, so the fact that a majority-male jury found Brand guilty should not be overlooked.
The victims wasnt the only evidence though was it. Medical examinations. Witness statements. Evidence has to be clear to convict and it was. I really dont think you understand how difficult it is to convict rapists. And how many rapists go free.
#RussellBrand was found guilty, therefore in law he is guilty. Takeaway jury unconscious bias, him being a very disliked man, a misogynistic egomaniac (my opinion only), the question I pose is this, should we have a statute of limitations on historical sex offences?
We must consider, in the vast majority of cases the only evidence is the word of the complainant, maybe some third party statements with a indictment period over a vast period of time for one alleged offence.
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Yeah. Let's make it even harder for rape victims to be heard and for rapists to be convicted. Jesus fucking Christ.
Grooming gang investigation in its first year has had 550 arrests and 134 convictions.
Its investigation is not over yet but you know who's investigation was? Russell Brand. His investigation was done right resulting in a conviction. There is due process in this country.
Could be said for any murderer/rapist/paedophile/criminal in a British prison today.
Families always suffer from those who commit crime. Its the criminals behaviour that determines it not the judicial system.
If your ok With Russell Brand Being away from his Kids and His wife and his Kids now Have to go to A Jail to visit him. check Your Soul. Russell son has Heart issues. No Dad Or mother should be ok with this. @5DPigeon @seanbwparker #FreeRussellBrand
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Shelly ๐น๐ป๐ฝโฝ๏ธ๐ฅ retweeted
When a man you don't even know is convicted of raping / sexually assaulting several women by a jury and your first instinct is to rush out to defend him online, you are telling the world exactly who you are
Shelly ๐น๐ป๐ฝโฝ๏ธ๐ฅ retweeted
Iโm seeing it all over my timeline. People acting like historic sex offence trials were invented for Russell Brand.
Years from offence to conviction:
Gary Glitter 38
Ghislaine Maxwell 17โ27
Rolf Harris 28
Max Clifford 30โ37
Barry Bennell 27โ39
Whereโve you all been?
Jesus Christ.
She should be ashamed.
Not long ago a man was convicted of raping his own wife and opening the doors for other men to do the same whilst she was drugged.
"Shame should change sides" was what she said.
No. Rape victims should never feel shame. You heartless idiot.
The Crown vs Russell Brand
I've spent the last couple of days thinking through all sides in this matter. And I do have a personal conflict of interest that could be said, sways my opinion - but I have painstakingly tried to assess this as objectively as possible.
Where I think this case is most unfair, is that the accuser gets to stay anonymous.
If a person is going to make allegations that we are to believe, allegations that have the potential to put Brand behind bars for over a decade of his life, then she should be made to face him and front court too - without the vale of anonymity.
Why is she given anonymity? What are the reasons?
So she's not shamed, right? Yet, that's just it - she should feel ashamed for her part in this. She should feel very, bloody ashamed for her own behaviour. And getting to escape all personal responsibility and putting the blame on someone else, means this trial is simply, not fair. It's not weighted equally and it sets a very bad precedent for all other 'He Said/She Said' matters in the past and in the future.
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Jesus Not guilty does not mean they lied. My friends rapist was let off as there was "not enough evidence". She had the bruises associated with rape and she was traumatised like any rape victim is. She wasn't lying.
"Praise the brave women who came forward". And how about "Jail the women who lied and of whom he was found Not Guilty". Balance media, please, as you write your cheques for interviews.
Readers added context they thought people might want to know
A not guilty verdict means only that guilt was not proven beyond reasonable doubt, not that accusers lied. Poster Jonathan King was convicted in 2001 of six sexual offences against boys aged 14-15.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_โฆ
theguardian.com/uk/2001/nov/21โฆ
law.cornell.edu/wex/not_guilty
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