Governance Is the Accelerator: Josh Woodruff (CSA) on Getting Agents Out of Pilot Purgatory
"Zero Trust taught us to check who you are and what you can reach on every request. But agents need one more check on top of that. What are you doing right now?"
Josh Woodruff, Co-Chair of the Zero Trust Working Group at @cloudsa, Founder and CEO of Massive Scale AI, and creator of the Agentic Trust Framework, joined us to explain why treating every AI agent like a new hire that earns its autonomy is what lets the business move faster with agents.
We get into:
> The five questions you have to answer about every agent, and the intern to principal autonomy ladder
> Why agents running under a human's identity turn every kill switch into a work stoppage
> Why intent is a useful signal
> Why many smaller scoped agents is better than one monolithic one
TIMESTAMPS
(00:38) Helping leaders say yes to agents and keep the power to stop them
(01:29) The book, the Agentic Trust Framework, and donating it to CSA
(04:01) ATF and Agent Baseline land in the same place
(05:12) Why every agent needs its own identity and behavioral baseline
(09:07) Inventory, access reviews, and the 20-year-old shared service account
(14:35) Human sponsors, tool scopes, and the roster as a forcing function
(19:36) Intent-based auth, AAuth missions, and the deleted inbox
(21:44) The Resy ban and the $1.4 million floor cleaner order
(24:59) ATF and AARM: earned autonomy meets runtime action control
(30:48) Fine-grained kill switches and microagents
(32:45) Tokenomics and why constraints are rocket fuel
(39:52) Reversibility and the never list
(43:11) Secure action, not just access, and the Stop Rogue AI bill
Lots of new pods on the way soon 👀
Thanks to @aiDotEngineer NYC and @AISecSummit for great studio setups
Thank you to everyone who came out to AAuth Night last night 🫶🏼
It was great to chat about agent auth, intent-based authorization, and what’s new in AAuth.
Big thanks to @KeycardAI and @AISecSummit for making this possible.
Insecure Agents Podcast retweeted
Today we're publishing the first draft of the Agent Baseline Software Factory Reference Architecture!
An opinionated blueprint for securing increasingly autonomous software factories, built with folks across the community.
It's open for feedback and contributions!
agentbaseline.org/reference-…
The Software Factory Reference Architecture is live at agentbaseline.org
@AhmadNassri, Aaron Stanley, @ealeyner, @ianlivingstone, and more applied Agent Baseline's 6 outcomes to the factory:
Discover. Constrain. Authorize. Validate. Observe. Respond.
Join us tonight in New York right after @aiDotEngineer to discuss it at Secure Software Factory Show and Tell with @ianlivingstone, @AhmadNassri, @ealeyner, @DickHardt, @braintrust, @SocketSecurity, @Docker, @KeycardAI
Join us at Elsie Rooftop 🗽🥂: luma.com/keycard-rg1c
"That ability to immediately revoke an agent's access or kill its ability to perform an action is fundamental." - @ianlivingstone CEO @KeycardAI
Tomorrow: the Software Factory Reference Architecture drops, built on 6 Agent Baseline outcomes including Respond.
We'll dig into this live TOMORROW after @aiDotEngineer with @ianlivingstone, @AhmadNassri, @ealeyner, @DickHardt, @braintrust, @SocketSecurity, @KeycardAI. Panel, then live demos.
At Elsie Rooftop 🥂🗽 luma.com/keycard-rg1c
"As far as the agent or the package manager is concerned, those versions don't exist." - @AhmadNassri CTO @SocketSecurity
What an agent can't see, it can't reach for. That's in the Software Factory Reference Architecture, out Tuesday from Ahmad, @ealeyner, and more.
We'll dig into this live in NYC on Tuesday 10/13 after @aiDotEngineer with @ianlivingstone, @AhmadNassri, @ealeyner, @DickHardt, @braintrust, @SocketSecurity, @Docker, and @KeycardAI. Panel, then live demos.
At Elsie Rooftop with food and drinks 🥂✨🗽
luma.com/keycard-rg1c
"We need to start looking at cybersecurity about the actions, not just the permissions or what I am entitled to do, but actually what is the action that it's done." - Michael Davis @jpmorgan
These ideas are in the new Software Factory Reference Architecture, dropping Tuesday 👀
We'll dig into this live in NYC on Oct 13 after @aiDotEngineer with @ianlivingstone, @AhmadNassri, @ealeyner, @DickHardt, @braintrust, @Docker, @SocketSecurity, and @KeycardAI
At Elsie Rooftop with food and drinks 🥂✨🗽
Join us: luma.com/keycard-rg1c
"If it starts getting stuck, then it will do what I call thrash. It just starts to get creative about ways to solve the problem, and that is very unpredictable." - @travismcpeak @cursor_ai
We learned thrash from Travis. Next week's reference architecture release defines it.
We'll dig into this live in NYC on Oct 13 after
@aiDotEngineer with @ianlivingstone, @AhmadNassri, @ealeyner, @DickHardt, @braintrust,
@Docker, @SocketSecurity, and @KeycardAI
At Elsie Rooftop with food and drinks 🥂✨🗽
Join us: luma.com/keycard-rg1c
"Some folks tried to skip A through D and go straight to F. That's where vibe coding fell over really quickly" @thatsjet Distinguished Engineer @GEICO
Teams that skip design and go straight to prompting get less secure software. Next week Jet and others publish a software factory reference architecture with this in mind.
We'll dig into this live in NYC on Oct 13 after
@aiDotEngineer with @ianlivingstone, @AhmadNassri, @ealeyner, @DickHardt, @braintrust, @Docker, @SocketSecurity, and @KeycardAI.
At Elsie Rooftop with food and drinks 🥂✨🗽
Join us: luma.com/keycard-rg1c
We'll dig into this live in NYC on Oct 13 after
@aiDotEngineer with @ianlivingstone, @AhmadNassri, @ealeyner, @DickHardt, @braintrust, @Docker, @SocketSecurity, @KeycardAI
At Elsie Rooftop with food and drinks 🥂✨🗽
Join us: luma.com/keycard-rg1c









