Computer consultant, WordPerfect expert, musician, author (https://xitter.cf/t.co/IBclkdV0tq), Bible scholar, LDA, video editor, radio personality (https://xitter.cf/t.co/alnRFGx0dr)

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Joined October 2014
[1/3] @sarahsalviander:⁣ ⁣ 𝘖𝘬𝘱đ˜ș, 𝘰𝘯 đ˜”đ˜° đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š 𝘍𝘈𝘘. đ˜›đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜Čđ˜¶đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘮 đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜°đ˜Łđ˜«đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘮 đ˜â€™đ˜·đ˜Š 𝘣𝘩𝘩𝘯 đ˜±đ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜źđ˜°đ˜Žđ˜” đ˜°đ˜§đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜Ż 𝘣đ˜ș đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜°đ˜·đ˜Šđ˜ł đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š 𝘼𝘱𝘯đ˜ș đ˜ș𝘩𝘱𝘳𝘮 đ˜â€™đ˜·đ˜Š 𝘣𝘩𝘩𝘯 𝘾𝘳đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘰𝘯 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜đ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜”.⁣ ⁣ 1. đ˜ đ˜°đ˜¶â€™đ˜łđ˜Š 𝘱 đ˜Žđ˜€đ˜Șđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜” đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶ 𝘣𝘩𝘭đ˜Șđ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Š đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜Žđ˜°đ˜„ đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜‘đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜Ž đ˜Šđ˜©đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”?⁣ ⁣ 𝘠𝘩𝘮.⁣ ⁣ Do you? Many atheists describe atheism as ‘the disbelief in any gods,’ and some say atheism ‘it addresses and rejects the claim that a god exists,’ although atheism 𝐱𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 đźđ§đ©đ«đšđŻđšđ›đ„đž đœđ„đšđąđŠ 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐧𝐹 𝐠𝐹𝐝𝐬 đžđ±đąđŹđ­. I get the impression that you believe that God is Jesus Christ, who is not God, but the Son of God. I have interpreted your "yes" to mean that you no longer adhere to the claim that no gods exist.⁣ ⁣ 2. 𝘞𝘩𝘳𝘩 đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶ 𝘳𝘩𝘱𝘭𝘭đ˜ș 𝘱𝘯 đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”?⁣ ⁣ 𝘠𝘩𝘮.⁣ ⁣ Ok.⁣ ⁣ 3. 𝘈𝘳𝘩 đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶ 𝘱 đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜Żđ˜š đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜łđ˜”đ˜© đ˜€đ˜łđ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯đ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”?⁣ ⁣ 𝘕𝘰.⁣ ⁣ Ok.⁣ ⁣ 4. đ˜žđ˜©đ˜ąđ˜” đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜ł đ˜łđ˜Šđ˜±đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Łđ˜­đ˜Š, đ˜Žđ˜€đ˜Șđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘧đ˜Șđ˜€ đ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Șđ˜„đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Š 𝘧𝘰𝘳 đ˜Žđ˜°đ˜„?⁣ ⁣ I noticed that you objected to this question as being illegitimate, rather than answering it.⁣ ⁣ The existence of an orderly universe containing life points to a Creator. That Creator is God, for just as “every house is built by someone, 
 the builder of all things is God.” (Heb. 3:4) Simple, but powerful logic. But there is no hypothesis, no theory, postulate that can be presented as scientific evidence for God.⁣ ⁣ If I had a video camera in my backyard that records the bunch of leaves I have raked together into a large pile being redistributed across the lawn during the two minutes I had stepped away to warn my neighbor, who has just parked her car at the curb in front of my house, that she needs to close her windows to ensure that her car's interior is unaffected by the water that will momentarily be coming from my water sprinklers, I can no more use that video to provide scientific evidence of the wind than I can provide scientific evidence of an invisible and immortal God. We could look around us and conclude that everything we see with our eyes constitutes evidence that that God exists.⁣ ⁣ 5. 𝘌đ˜čđ˜”đ˜łđ˜ąđ˜°đ˜łđ˜„đ˜Ș𝘯𝘱𝘳đ˜ș đ˜€đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘼𝘮 𝘳𝘩đ˜Čđ˜¶đ˜Ș𝘳𝘩 𝘩đ˜čđ˜”đ˜łđ˜ąđ˜°đ˜łđ˜„đ˜Ș𝘯𝘱𝘳đ˜ș đ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Șđ˜„đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Š.⁣ ⁣ Sagan's "ECREE" opinion aside, to claim belief in God would be ordinary to those believing in God, but would be extraordinary were an atheist to claim he or she believes in God. I like your red car/flying red car analogy, but DeLorean time machines and warp speed are extraordinary and are things that are right up there with flying red cars. 😊⁣ ⁣ 6. 𝘚𝘰, đ˜žđ˜©đ˜ș đ˜„đ˜° đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶ 𝘣𝘩𝘭đ˜Șđ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Š đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜Žđ˜°đ˜„?⁣ ⁣ The teleological argument and the Kalām Cosmological argument are philosophical arguments that I imagine have persuaded many to believe in God (even in Spinoza's God), but it is also logical to conclude that the scientific peinciples associated with a fine-tuned universe, the zygote stage to neonate stage to adult progression, blood clotting and consciousness, as well as the things one learns from a study of the Bible have convinced many others to believe in God.⁣ ⁣ 7. đ˜›đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Šâ€™đ˜Ž 𝘯𝘰 đ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Șđ˜„đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Š 𝘧𝘰𝘳 đ˜Žđ˜°đ˜„.⁣ ⁣ How are "near-death experiences" compelling evidence for God?⁣ ⁣ 8. đ˜žđ˜©đ˜ș đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜Žđ˜°đ˜„ 𝘰𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š 𝘉đ˜Ș𝘣𝘭𝘩 đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” 𝘮𝘰𝘼𝘩 đ˜°đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜ł đ˜šđ˜°đ˜„?⁣ ⁣ 𝘚𝘩𝘩 #6 đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ #7.⁣ ⁣ Including Christianity, the 12 major religions in the world are Baha'i, Buddhism, Confucianism, Hinduism, Islām, Jainism, Judaism, Shinto, Sikhism, Taoism and Zoroastrianism and there are an estimated 10,000 religions, but one's religion matters.⁣ ⁣ [cont’d]
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[2/3] 9. 𝘚𝘰, đ˜Ș𝘧 đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶ 𝘣𝘩𝘭đ˜Șđ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Š đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜¶đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Žđ˜Š đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜Œđ˜ąđ˜łđ˜”đ˜© 𝘱𝘳𝘩 𝘣đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘮 𝘰𝘧 đ˜ș𝘩𝘱𝘳𝘮 đ˜°đ˜­đ˜„, đ˜„đ˜° đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶ đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘯𝘬 𝘎𝘩𝘯𝘩𝘮đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘧đ˜Șđ˜šđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Š?⁣ ⁣ The question isn't whether Genesis is literal and figurative in any context; just whether it is figurative and it isn't. The word "day" is a homonym used in Genesis chapters 1 through 3, and this word may not always refer to a 24-hour day. The word "day" is used at Gen. 1:5, 2:4, 2:17 and 3:8, but none of them are used to refer to a 24-hour day.⁣ ⁣ Similar to "day" is the word "light": "The morning light" (noun); "he used a match to light a fire" (verb); "the room was light and airy" (adjective); "the suitcase wasn't heavy at all, it was light" (adjective); "the lotion glistened because of her light skin" (adjective).⁣ ⁣ Each of the “days” in Genesis are epochs as proven by the fact that the Andromeda Galaxy, for example, is 15 quintillion (15 trillion million) miles away, so on the first creative “day” when God said “let there be light,” light from the Andromeda Galaxy to which Gen. 1:3–5 refers would have taken 2.537 mly to reach the earth. The second, third, fourth, fifth and sixth creative “days” were epochs, but not 24 hours in length.⁣ ⁣ Moses wrote the book of Genesis under the inspiration of God. What Moses wrote is based on fact and isn’t some guess based on Moses’ belief considering the fact that the odds of his being able to write down the correct order of events as he does in Genesis is 1 in 3,628 800!⁣ ⁣ Genesis lists the following major stages during the creation process and in this general order: (1) a beginning; (2) a primitive earth in darkness, enshrouded in heavy gases and water; (3) light; (4) an atmosphere; (5) large areas of dry land; (6) land plants; (7) sun, moon and stars discernible in the expanse, and the beginning of seasons; (8) sea monsters, flying creatures; (9) wild and tame beasts, mammals; and (10) man.⁣ ⁣ Science agrees with this general order, so the science of mathematical probability says for anyone to just pick the numbers 1 to 10 randomly from a box and draw them in consecutive order (1:3,628,800) means that Moses didn't just happen to guess the right order correctly; this would be an unrealistic conclusion. Logically, Moses would had needed help from someone that was there at the time to write what he did, and I believe that "someone" is God.⁣ ⁣ 10. 𝘐𝘧 đ˜Žđ˜°đ˜„ đ˜€đ˜łđ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜¶đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Žđ˜Š, đ˜žđ˜©đ˜° 𝘰𝘳 đ˜žđ˜©đ˜ąđ˜” đ˜€đ˜łđ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜Žđ˜°đ˜„?⁣ ⁣ God is eternal and uncreated. It is not special pleading to state a scriptural fact. (1 Tim. 1:17) You wrote that "people believed the universe was eternal 
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 evidence began piling up showing the universe had a beginning" and how by "the 1960s, when Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson discovered the cosmic background radiation, the Big Bang theory had pretty much destroyed the idea of an eternal universe," but what does the Big Bang have to do with who created God? Only someone eternal could create the universe and the Bible indicates that God is uncreated. Clement of Alexandria, who died about 215 AD, referred to God as “the uncreated and imperishable and only true God.” (See Prov. 30:4.)⁣ ⁣ An infinitely small point called a "singularity" exploded into the present universe, which inflated or expanded at a rate faster than the speed of light. What is supposed to have caused the big bang itself? What came before? If space-time did not exist then, how could everything appear from nothing? No one associated with modern cosmology is able to explain this singularity, where and when it began.⁣ ⁣ [cont’d]
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[3/3] I should add here that in his book, “The Intelligent Universe,” Prof. Fred Hoyle wrote about Ptolemy’s futile use of epicycles and said: “I have little hesitation in saying that as a result a sickly pall now hangs over the big bang theory. As I have mentioned earlier, when a pattern of facts becomes set against a theory, experience shows that it rarely recovers.”⁣ —The Intelligent Universe (1983), page 186.⁣ ⁣ You wrote that it comes down to choosing to “believe in an infinite chain of causes 
 or an eternal something with the power to create. Which one makes more sense to you?” No. There is no need to guess: God is an uncreated being and he it was that created the universe.⁣ ⁣ 11. 𝘏𝘰𝘾 đ˜„đ˜° đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶ 𝘮đ˜Čđ˜¶đ˜ąđ˜łđ˜Š 𝘱 â€˜đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜łđ˜ąđ˜Șđ˜šđ˜©đ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜žđ˜ąđ˜łđ˜„â€™ 𝘎𝘩𝘯𝘩𝘮đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘾đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜© 𝘱 đ˜¶đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Žđ˜Š đ˜”đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜”â€™đ˜Ž 𝘣đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘮 𝘰𝘧 đ˜ș𝘩𝘱𝘳𝘮 đ˜°đ˜­đ˜„?⁣ ⁣ We live in an orderly 13.7 byo universe with a 4.6 byo sun and moon, and a 4.5628 byo earth, which is not in conflict with Genesis.⁣ ⁣ 12. 𝘋𝘰 đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶ 𝘾𝘳đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜Š đ˜Žđ˜€đ˜Șđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘧đ˜Șđ˜€ đ˜±đ˜ąđ˜±đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Ž đ˜ąđ˜Łđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜” đ˜Žđ˜°đ˜„â€™đ˜Ž đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜·đ˜°đ˜­đ˜·đ˜Šđ˜źđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜¶đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Žđ˜Š?⁣ ⁣ 𝘕𝘰.⁣ ⁣ I have written many Bible-related posts featuring God's dealings with mankind since Adam's creation 6,051 years ago in 4026 BC.⁣ ⁣ 13. đ˜Œđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜ș𝘰𝘯𝘩 đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘣𝘰𝘳𝘯 𝘱𝘯 đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜” 
 𝘣𝘱𝘣đ˜Ș𝘩𝘮 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜¶đ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘭 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜ș’𝘳𝘩 đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜„đ˜°đ˜€đ˜”đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜„.⁣ ⁣ You wrote: "The law of parsimony (Occam's razor) applies here," but evolutionary biology is psuedoscience and is in conflict with the Bible, which does not teach phylogenetic trees or that mankind evolved, but they we are the offspring of Adam and Eve. We are all born with clean slates, so to speak, but no one is born an atheist.⁣ ⁣ 14. 𝘙𝘩𝘭đ˜Ș𝘹đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘱 đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜„đ˜¶đ˜€đ˜” 𝘰𝘧 đ˜žđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Š đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶ 𝘾𝘩𝘳𝘩 𝘣𝘰𝘳𝘯, đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜ł 𝘧𝘱𝘼đ˜Ș𝘭đ˜ș, đ˜Šđ˜”đ˜€.⁣ ⁣ Not always. Some people learn their religion from missionaries that proselytize in their country.⁣ ⁣ 15. 𝘞𝘩’𝘳𝘩 𝘱𝘭𝘭 đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ž, 𝘐 đ˜«đ˜¶đ˜Žđ˜” 𝘣𝘩𝘭đ˜Șđ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Š đ˜Ș𝘯 𝘰𝘯𝘩 𝘭𝘩𝘮𝘮 đ˜šđ˜°đ˜„ đ˜”đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Ż đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶.⁣ ⁣ I disagree; not all of us are atheists.⁣ ⁣ 16. đ˜žđ˜©đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜© 𝘰𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜”đ˜©đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜Žđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„đ˜Ž 𝘰𝘧 đ˜šđ˜°đ˜„đ˜Ž đ˜„đ˜° đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶ 𝘣𝘩𝘭đ˜Șđ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Š đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜žđ˜©đ˜ș?⁣ ⁣ I believe in and worship the God of the Bible, whose name is Jehovah. (Exo. 6:3; Jer. 10:10, ASV; John 17:3)⁣ ⁣ 17. đ˜ˆđ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜Ș𝘮𝘼 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜«đ˜¶đ˜Žđ˜” 𝘱 đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜€đ˜Ź 𝘰𝘧 𝘣𝘩𝘭đ˜Ș𝘩𝘧.⁣ ⁣ No; atheism 𝐱𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 đźđ§đ©đ«đšđŻđšđ›đ„đž đœđ„đšđąđŠ 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐧𝐹 𝐠𝐹𝐝𝐬 đžđ±đąđŹđ­.⁣ ⁣ 18. đ˜ˆđ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜Ș𝘮𝘼 đ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜Żâ€™đ˜” 𝘱 đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Žđ˜Șđ˜”đ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Š đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Žđ˜Șđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯. đ˜žđ˜©đ˜°đ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜ł 𝘼𝘱𝘬𝘩𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘼 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜” đ˜Žđ˜°đ˜źđ˜Šđ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘩đ˜čđ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜Łđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜„đ˜Šđ˜Ż 𝘰𝘧 đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜°đ˜§.⁣ ⁣ The burden of proof (BOP) is on the individual that makes a claim. I believe in God; this is an affirmative (positive) statement. I am not obliged to prove my beliefs to anyone, but I'm always willing to share them with others. When the atheist makes a claim, the BOP is on the atheist to prove his or her claim that no gods exist.⁣
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[1/8] @wendelltalks:⁣ đ˜ˆđ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜Ș𝘮𝘼’𝘮 đ˜§đ˜ąđ˜·đ˜°đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜”đ˜Š đ˜źđ˜°đ˜·đ˜Š đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜”đ˜° đ˜„đ˜Šđ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜ąđ˜Łđ˜Žđ˜°đ˜­đ˜¶đ˜”đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜ș 𝘧𝘳𝘰𝘼 đ˜Šđ˜©đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘱𝘯𝘮
 đ˜žđ˜©đ˜Ș𝘭𝘩 𝘭đ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘰𝘯 𝘱 đ˜źđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜Żđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘯 𝘰𝘧 đ˜ąđ˜Žđ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜źđ˜±đ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘮.⁣ ⁣ ‱ đ˜›đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜¶đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Žđ˜Š đ˜«đ˜¶đ˜Žđ˜” “đ˜Ș𝘮” ‱ 𝘓đ˜Ș𝘧𝘩 đ˜«đ˜¶đ˜Žđ˜” â€œđ˜©đ˜ąđ˜±đ˜±đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜„â€ ‱ 𝘔𝘰𝘳𝘱𝘭đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜ș đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜«đ˜¶đ˜Žđ˜” â€œđ˜¶đ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜§đ˜¶đ˜­â€ â€ąđ˜Šđ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜€đ˜Șđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜Žđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Ž đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜«đ˜¶đ˜Žđ˜” â€œđ˜Šđ˜źđ˜Šđ˜łđ˜šđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜”â€ ‱ đ˜›đ˜łđ˜¶đ˜”đ˜© đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜«đ˜¶đ˜Žđ˜” â€œđ˜žđ˜©đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜ł 𝘾𝘰𝘳𝘬𝘮”⁣ @TherionWare:⁣ 𝘐’𝘼 𝘱𝘮𝘬đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘧𝘰𝘳 đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜§đ˜§đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Șđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Șđ˜„đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Š, đ˜žđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜„đ˜Šđ˜­đ˜­. đ˜žđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Š đ˜„đ˜Șđ˜„ đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶ đ˜šđ˜Šđ˜” "đ˜ąđ˜Łđ˜Žđ˜°đ˜­đ˜¶đ˜”đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜ș"?⁣ ⁣ You would be a rare atheist t𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐝𝐹𝐞𝐬𝐧’𝐭 𝐰𝐚𝐧𝐭 đšđ›đŹđšđ„đźđ­đž đœđžđ«đ­đšđąđ§đ­đČ for the beliefs that some Christians hold. In the Bible, at Rom. 1:19-20, it states:⁣ ⁣ “For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.”⁣ ⁣ Now is this true? Absolutely! Certainly! 😊 God HAS made it plain to us the things that we need to know, the things that we can see and perceive indicate that God has eternal power, that He actually exists and that He is superior to all man-made things, and all other things on earth and in the material universe. Since there is an ample amount of evidence that could be presented, I won’t spend any time with this and will just move on.⁣ ⁣ 𝐀 𝐂𝐇𝐑𝐈𝐒𝐓𝐈𝐀𝐍’𝐒 𝐁𝐄𝐋𝐈𝐄𝐅𝐒 𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓 𝐁𝐄 𝐁𝐀𝐒𝐄𝐃 𝐎𝐍 𝐄𝐕𝐈𝐃𝐄𝐍𝐂𝐄⁣ 𝐂𝐀𝐔𝐒𝐄 𝐀𝐍𝐃 𝐄𝐅𝐅𝐄𝐂𝐓⁣ [ tinyurl.com/3bxkh6dt ] 𝐁𝐈𝐁𝐋𝐄 𝐏𝐑𝐎𝐏𝐇𝐄𝐂𝐘[ tinyurl.com/3bxkh6dt ] 𝐒𝐏𝐀𝐂𝐄𝐓𝐈𝐌𝐄 𝐂𝐎𝐍𝐒𝐈𝐃𝐄𝐑𝐀𝐓𝐈𝐎𝐍𝐒 [tinyurl.com/2wzbxc5z ] 𝐋𝐈𝐅𝐄 𝐃𝐎𝐄𝐒 𝐍𝐎𝐓 𝐂𝐎𝐌𝐄 𝐅𝐑𝐎𝐌 𝐍𝐎𝐍-𝐋𝐈𝐅𝐄⁣ ⁣ [ tinyurl.com/4ppydyj9 ] 𝐂𝐎𝐍𝐒𝐂𝐈𝐄𝐍𝐂𝐄 𝐀𝐍𝐃 𝐕𝐈𝐑𝐓𝐔𝐄⁣ [ tinyurl.com/4ppydyj9 ] 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐂𝐑𝐄𝐀𝐓𝐈𝐕𝐄 𝐖𝐎𝐑𝐊𝐒 𝐖𝐄 𝐏𝐄𝐑𝐂𝐄𝐈𝐕𝐄⁣ [ tinyurl.com/4ppydyj9 ] 𝐎𝐓𝐇𝐄𝐑 𝐀𝐑𝐆𝐔𝐌𝐄𝐍𝐓𝐒 [ tinyurl.com/4ppydyj9 ] ⁣ 𝐀 𝐂𝐇𝐑𝐈𝐒𝐓𝐈𝐀𝐍’𝐒 𝐁𝐄𝐋𝐈𝐄𝐅𝐒 𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓 𝐁𝐄 𝐁𝐀𝐒𝐄𝐃 𝐎𝐍 𝐄𝐕𝐈𝐃𝐄𝐍𝐂𝐄⁣ Now there are some that adhere to their belief in God simply because of the belief of their parents or because they now happen to live where it is socially popular to be a Christian that believes Jesus to be both the Son of God and God. (FYI the Gospel of John at John 20:31 doesn’t say that the Lord Jesus Christ is God, but that he is “the Son of God.”)⁣ ⁣ However, the fact that one’s parents professed belief in God will not convince any atheist to believe that God exists, will it? Indeed, one of the reasons why many persons, even the children of some so-called Christians, become doubters of God’s existence is the inability of believers to convincingly explain their convictions, they having no idea what “faith” means. And, frankly, unless a person has been personally convinced to believe in God, that person is not likely to defend any of his or her religious beliefs when under pressure to do so. (See Rom. 12:2; Heb. 11:1)⁣ ⁣ A legitimate belief in God must be founded on facts that we intelligently determine to be true. But as a first century AD Bible writer wrote: “No man has seen God at any time.” (John 1:18) So to be convinced of God’s existence our belief must be based on the things we discern we observe in the material universe as well as our accumulated personal experience. Only then can we can develop an unassailable belief in God using our powers of reason.⁣ [cont’d]
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[7/8] This establishes God's superiority, and clearly someone higher than man must supply these needs. Why does there exist a vast variety of food in the world? Not just vegetation, but the animals and the fish we eat? Whose idea was it to make the plants, the fish and the other animals we eat?⁣ We can look at man's body. We can look at the marvelous systems. The doctors and scientists say, these systems are not unrelated. They say, each system in our bodies is related to the other systems: The circulatory system, the nervous system, the respiratory system, the cardiovascular system, the blood system, the digestive system. If one breaks down or falls down, the others will rally to its side to try to make that body work anyway. Who thought of that? Man? Not even his doctors understand this fully. Why does these systems in the human body so organized that they work this way? Whose idea was this? Who made man?⁣ ⁣ A prime example that proves God’s existence that comes to my mind is this: Water, which is our most essential fluid. Water has a remarkable property that shows the remarkable and the eternal power of God. Perhaps you’ve noticed this:⁣ ⁣ When water freezes, it expands, and gets lighter and floats. You know that because when you put an ice cube in your Pepsi, it doesn't sink to the bottom. It floats right there on the top. And you know, too, that it expands because when you fill your ice tray, you don't fill it up all the way to the top. You leave a little room, because you know that when you pull it out of the freezer, it's going to take up that extra space.⁣ ⁣ So because water, when frozen, expands, and gets lighter and floats, it keeps all of us from living, right here on this earth, in a refrigerator. Did you know that? How so? Well, now, consider this, for a moment there, how it is saving the whole world of mankind. Let's say just the opposite were true. Let's say water, when frozen, was like most other substances; they contract and get smaller. That's like that chicken in your freezer: When you pull it out, it has shriveled up a little. It has gotten smaller. See, that's how most things do when they freeze; not water. Well, that's saving us.⁣ ⁣ And I will add here that when we boil water; it becomes steam, but none of this was written to discuss the different properties of water, but to discuss the proof that God exists.⁣ ⁣ Let's say water did like most substances and when frozen became more dense, and instead of floating would sink. Well, during a cold winter, what would happen? All the water on top would freeze; lakes, rivers, ponds, all around the world, and since it wouldn't float, it would become more dense and would sink right to the bottom and there ice would be all winter.⁣ ⁣ Then when the summer came, the sun couldn't penetrate all the way through the water down to the bottom where the ice is and had not melted, so by the time winter came around again, you would still have much ice at the bottom of all the rivers and lakes and streams.⁣ But then with winter that on top would freeze again and would sink toward the bottom, piling up on top of that other unmelted ice at the bottom that had been there from the previous winter. Can you see what would happen now? After a few winters, there wouldn't be a drop of water on this earth, all of it would be frozen and we would be in a refrigerator, except we wouldn't be here because, without our most essential fluid that God provides, then we just could not exist as humans on this planet.⁣ ⁣ Well, now, who thought of that? Who thought of making water the exception to most substances? Not man, although we do appreciate it and its properties. We live as a result of it. But it establishes the eternal power of God, and therefore the evidence all around us, visible and invisible collectively, constitutes proof that God exists.⁣ ⁣ [cont’d]
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[8/8] For an absolute certainty, it becomes clear by using, not the sense of hearing, but our four other senses of sight, smell, taste, and touch, that God exists.⁣ ⁣ 𝐀𝐑𝐆𝐔𝐌𝐄𝐍𝐓𝐒⁣ @TherionWare:⁣ đ˜ đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜ł 𝘭đ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜” đ˜Łđ˜¶đ˜Żđ˜„đ˜­đ˜Šđ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜°đ˜šđ˜Šđ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜ł đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Žđ˜źđ˜°đ˜­đ˜°đ˜šđ˜ș, đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š 𝘰𝘳đ˜Ș𝘹đ˜Ș𝘯 𝘰𝘧 𝘭đ˜Ș𝘧𝘩, đ˜Šđ˜”đ˜©đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Ž, đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜€đ˜Șđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜Žđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Ž đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘱 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜°đ˜łđ˜ș 𝘰𝘧 đ˜”đ˜łđ˜¶đ˜”đ˜©, đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜Ż đ˜±đ˜łđ˜Šđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜„đ˜Ž đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜Ș𝘮𝘼 𝘳𝘩đ˜Čđ˜¶đ˜Ș𝘳𝘩𝘮 𝘼𝘩 đ˜”đ˜° đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜„đ˜°đ˜łđ˜Žđ˜Š đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜ł đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜źđ˜źđ˜ąđ˜łđ˜Ș𝘩𝘮 𝘰𝘧 𝘱𝘭𝘭 𝘧đ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Š. đ˜đ˜” đ˜„đ˜°đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Żâ€™đ˜”.⁣ ⁣ "𝘐 đ˜„đ˜°đ˜Żâ€™đ˜” 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘾" đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘱 đ˜±đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜§đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜”đ˜­đ˜ș đ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜±đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Łđ˜­đ˜Š 𝘱𝘯𝘮𝘾𝘩𝘳. đ˜đ˜” 𝘹đ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜Ž đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶ 𝘯𝘰 đ˜žđ˜ąđ˜łđ˜łđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜”đ˜° đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜łđ˜” 𝘱 đ˜„đ˜Šđ˜Șđ˜”đ˜ș, đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 𝘭𝘩𝘮𝘮 đ˜”đ˜° đ˜Șđ˜„đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘧đ˜ș đ˜Șđ˜” 𝘱𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜Šđ˜©đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘱𝘯 𝘰𝘯𝘩.⁣ ⁣ đ˜ đ˜°đ˜¶â€™đ˜·đ˜Š 𝘾𝘳đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜Ż đ˜Łđ˜°đ˜”đ˜© 𝘮đ˜Șđ˜„đ˜Šđ˜Ž 𝘰𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Žđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 𝘰𝘼đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜ąđ˜łđ˜šđ˜¶đ˜źđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜” đ˜žđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜­đ˜„ đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Łđ˜­đ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜© đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜ł đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜€đ˜­đ˜¶đ˜Žđ˜Ș𝘰𝘯. 𝘈𝘯 đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜źđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜­ 𝘾𝘱đ˜ș 𝘰𝘧 𝘾đ˜Ș𝘯𝘯đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹, đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜źđ˜Șđ˜”đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜„đ˜­đ˜ș.⁣ ⁣ What “argument” is missing? Please be specific.⁣ ⁣ @Crypt0_Facts:⁣ đ˜›đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜„đ˜Șđ˜§đ˜§đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Š đ˜Łđ˜Šđ˜”đ˜žđ˜Šđ˜Šđ˜Ż đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜ł đ˜Žđ˜°đ˜„ đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜¶đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘰𝘳 𝘭đ˜Ș𝘧𝘩 𝘰𝘳 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜€đ˜Șđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜Žđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Ž đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘯𝘱𝘼𝘩𝘭đ˜ș đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜§đ˜ąđ˜€đ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜ș đ˜„đ˜Šđ˜źđ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜łđ˜ąđ˜Łđ˜­đ˜ș 𝘩đ˜čđ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”, đ˜”đ˜©đ˜°đ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š 𝘣𝘱𝘮𝘩𝘭đ˜Ș𝘯𝘩 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜” đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶ đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘐 đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜șđ˜Łđ˜°đ˜„đ˜ș 𝘩𝘭𝘮𝘩, đ˜łđ˜Šđ˜šđ˜ąđ˜łđ˜„đ˜­đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Ž 𝘰𝘧 𝘳𝘩𝘭đ˜Ș𝘹đ˜Șđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜Ž 𝘣𝘩𝘭đ˜Ș𝘩𝘧, 𝘱𝘭𝘭 𝘱𝘹𝘳𝘩𝘩 𝘰𝘯. ⁣ ⁣ 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘭𝘭 𝘱𝘹𝘳𝘩𝘩 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜¶đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘩đ˜čđ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ž, 𝘾𝘩 𝘱𝘭𝘭 𝘱𝘹𝘳𝘩𝘩 𝘭đ˜Ș𝘧𝘩 𝘩đ˜čđ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ž. ⁣ ⁣ đ˜›đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜”'𝘮 𝘱 𝘭đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜”đ˜­đ˜Š 𝘣đ˜Șđ˜” đ˜„đ˜Șđ˜§đ˜§đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Ż đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜ł đ˜±đ˜ąđ˜łđ˜”đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜¶đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜ł đ˜„đ˜Šđ˜Șđ˜”đ˜ș 𝘧𝘳𝘰𝘼 đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜ł đ˜±đ˜ąđ˜łđ˜”đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜¶đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜ł 𝘳𝘩𝘭đ˜Ș𝘹đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 𝘩đ˜čđ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹⁣ ⁣ I believe there is only one God, but you, as an atheist, assert a priori that all life on earth is the result of a common ancestor, and assumes that all animal and human behavior can be explained from a naturalistic point of view.⁣ ⁣ Dismissing the entire category of personal testimony a priori isn’t neutral skepticism; it is a presupposition that rules out the data before examining the pattern. However, testing the historical, circumstantial and testimonial evidence in the Bible for their authenticity, one can logically perceive that God’s existence is a fact.⁣ ⁣ Babies are born with blank slates as it were. By their third birthday, they may have learned to speak and understand one or more languages, but they do not and they cannot make the claim that gods do not exist.⁣ ⁣ However, as children get older, parents teach their children their ideology, their worldview, their religion, both the atheist and the non-atheist, to guide them in life, and by the time they become adults, they will have decided to embrace either their parents’ worldview or some other religion.⁣
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[1/2] @wendelltalks: đ˜ˆđ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜­đ˜°đ˜·đ˜Š đ˜”đ˜° 𝘮𝘱đ˜ș “𝘐 đ˜«đ˜¶đ˜Žđ˜” 𝘧𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘰𝘾 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Șđ˜„đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Š.” đ˜œđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘭 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Șđ˜„đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Š đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜°: ‱ 𝘈 đ˜¶đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘾đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜© 𝘱 𝘣𝘩𝘹đ˜Ș𝘯𝘯đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 ‱ 𝘍đ˜Ș𝘯𝘩-đ˜”đ˜¶đ˜Żđ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜” 𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘬𝘮 đ˜„đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Șđ˜šđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜„ ‱ đ˜–đ˜Łđ˜«đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜”đ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Š 𝘼𝘰𝘳𝘱𝘭 𝘰𝘣𝘭đ˜Șđ˜šđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜ș đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Żâ€™đ˜” 𝘩đ˜čđ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘯 ‱ đ˜Šđ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜€đ˜Șđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜Žđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜” đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Ș𝘱𝘭 đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜Ž đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Żâ€™đ˜” đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜„đ˜¶đ˜€đ˜Š @JonHammond1701: đ˜›đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Șđ˜„đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Š đ˜„đ˜°đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Ż'đ˜” đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜”đ˜° 𝘈𝘕𝘠 𝘰𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜°đ˜Žđ˜Š đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹𝘮. đ˜đ˜” đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜° đ˜šđ˜±đ˜ąđ˜€đ˜Šđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘼𝘩 𝘣𝘩đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Šđ˜źđ˜Šđ˜łđ˜šđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜”, đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜±đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜”đ˜ș 𝘰𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š 𝘩đ˜čđ˜±đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘜𝘯đ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Žđ˜Š, "𝘧đ˜Ș𝘯𝘩-đ˜”đ˜¶đ˜Żđ˜Ș𝘯𝘹" 𝘣𝘩đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘧𝘱𝘭𝘮𝘩, 𝘼𝘰𝘳𝘱𝘭đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜ș 𝘣𝘩đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜Łđ˜«đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜”đ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Š đ˜Žđ˜°đ˜€đ˜Șđ˜°đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜łđ˜źđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜łđ˜¶đ˜€đ˜”, đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜€đ˜Șđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜Žđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Ž 𝘣𝘩đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘱 đ˜Žđ˜±đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜”đ˜łđ˜¶đ˜ź, đ˜”đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜” 𝘐𝘚 đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜„đ˜¶đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜„ 𝘣đ˜ș 𝘭đ˜Ș𝘧𝘩. Fine-tuning is false? No; it isn’t false. Maybe you know (or maybe not) that there are four fundamental forces of nature, right? A Gravitational Force; a Electromagnetic Force; a Strong Nuclear Force; and a Weak Nuclear Force. Referring to just the Electromagnetic Force, a slight difference in this force would affect the sun and thus alter the light reaching the earth, making photosynthesis in plants difficult or impossible. It could also rob water of its unique properties, which are vital for life. So again, the precise tuning of the Electromagnetic Force determines whether we live or not. Equally vital is the intensity of the Electromagnetic Force in relation to the other three forces. For example, some physicists figure this force to be (10⁎⁰) times that of gravity. It might seem a small change to that number to add one more zero (10⁎Âč). Yet that would mean that gravity is proportionally weaker, and a Professor of Mathematics and Physics at Oxford, Dr. Reinhard Breuer (“The Anthropic Principle: Man as the Focal Point of Nature”) made this interesting comment on the resulting situation: “With lower gravity the stars would be smaller, and the pressure of gravity in their interiors would not drive the temperature high enough for nuclear fusion reactions to get under way: the sun would be unable to shine.” Imagine this! What if gravity were stronger proportionately, so that the number had one fewer zeros (10Âłâč)? “With just this tiny adjustment,” continues Breuer, “a star like the sun would find its life expectancy sharply reduced.” And other scientists consider the fine-tuning to be even more precise. Indeed, two remarkable qualities of our sun and other stars are long-term efficiency and stability. Consider a simple illustration. We know that to run efficiently, an automobile engine needs a critical ratio between fuel and air; engineers design complex mechanical and computer systems to optimize performance. If that is so with a mere engine, what of the efficiently “burning” stars such as our sun? The key forces involved are precisely tuned, optimized for life. Did that precision just happen? @TalonXavier1973: đ˜Œđ˜·đ˜Șđ˜„đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Š đ˜„đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜„ đ˜±đ˜Šđ˜°đ˜±đ˜­đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Ż đ˜„đ˜Ș𝘩 đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘣𝘩 đ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜€đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜„ 𝘣đ˜ș 𝘱 đ˜­đ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘱𝘭đ˜Ș𝘩𝘯 đ˜žđ˜©đ˜° đ˜±đ˜łđ˜ąđ˜€đ˜”đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Ž đ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜€đ˜łđ˜°đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜ș? No, a resurrection by this means cannot happen. E.T. does nit and has never existed, except on the movie or tv screen or in a book. @ThatAntiTheist1: 𝘈𝘭𝘭 𝘰𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜” đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘾𝘳𝘰𝘯𝘹. I’m sorry. I understand you to be saying that all of what @wendelltalks said in his post is wrong, but specifically what exactly? 1. đ˜›đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Șđ˜„đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Š đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜° 𝘱𝘯 [đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Żđ˜ąđ˜­] đ˜¶đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Žđ˜Š. To what evidence do you refer? I’m a scientist, so use as many words as you need to give me the cliff-notes. [cont’d]
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[2/2] 2. đ˜žđ˜©đ˜ąđ˜” đ˜„đ˜°đ˜Šđ˜Ž 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭-đ˜”đ˜¶đ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜¶đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘬 𝘭đ˜Ș𝘬𝘩? đ˜œđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘭 đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶ đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Ż đ˜„đ˜Šđ˜źđ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜łđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Š đ˜”đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜”, đ˜€đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘼đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜¶đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Žđ˜Š đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘧đ˜Ș𝘯𝘩 đ˜”đ˜¶đ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘯𝘰𝘯𝘮𝘩𝘯𝘮𝘩. Someone—not man—authored the anthropic principle, which includes the permittivity constant in Coulomb’s law and Planck’s constant, explains the fine tuning of our universe, and governs the natural cycles that gives to our planet the ability to support the abundance of life on it. Four questions: Why does the permittivity constant in Coulomb’s law have the exact value of 8.85 x 10⁻ÂčÂČ Coulomb per Newton-meter? Why is the electron charge to mass ratio exactly 1.76 x 10⁻ÂčÂč Coulomb per kilogram? Why is the speed of light 3 x 10⁞ meters per second? Why is Planck’s constant exactly 6.63 x 10⁻³⁎ Joules-seconds?⁣ 3. 𝘔𝘰𝘳𝘱𝘭đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜ș đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜Łđ˜«đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜”đ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Š đ˜Łđ˜Šđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜¶đ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘾𝘩 𝘯𝘰 𝘭𝘰𝘯𝘹𝘩𝘳 𝘰𝘾𝘯 đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Ž 𝘱𝘮 𝘧𝘱𝘳𝘼đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘩đ˜Čđ˜¶đ˜Șđ˜±đ˜źđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜”. Subjective? Really? Why is it that people all over our planet share the same moral view on stealing? on murder? on lying? Tell me you intended to write “objective.” 4. 𝘞𝘩 đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Ż đ˜ąđ˜€đ˜”đ˜¶đ˜ąđ˜­đ˜­đ˜ș 𝘮𝘩𝘩 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜šđ˜©đ˜”đ˜Ž 𝘱𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜ș 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘼 đ˜Ș𝘯 𝘱 đ˜±đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Žđ˜°đ˜Ż'𝘮 𝘣𝘳𝘱đ˜Ș𝘯. We ca actually see s person’s thoughts? Are you at least 21 years of age? I ask because I don’t think an adult would say such a thing. 𝘋𝘰 𝘮𝘰𝘼𝘩 đ˜§đ˜¶đ˜€đ˜Źđ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜łđ˜€đ˜© 𝘣𝘩𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘩 đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶ 𝘼𝘱𝘬𝘩 đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜­đ˜§ 𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘬 𝘭đ˜Ș𝘬𝘩 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Șđ˜„đ˜Șđ˜°đ˜”. 𝘜𝘯𝘭𝘩𝘮𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š 𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘬 đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶'𝘳𝘩 𝘹𝘰đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘧𝘰𝘳. I’m pretty sure that you aren’t smarter than I am when discussing the anthropic principle. I don’t believe there is anyone on this platform that is sporting a “look.” I mean, we can’t see it. One wonders why it was you decided to say this. Were you intending to be clever? If so, that’s fine, but please let me know that you’re not serious in the things you’ve said in your post.
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[1/3] @xonphused: 𝘈 𝘑𝘩𝘾đ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜© 𝘼𝘱𝘯 𝘾𝘱𝘮 đ˜€đ˜łđ˜¶đ˜€đ˜Ș𝘧đ˜Șđ˜Šđ˜„ 𝘯𝘩𝘱𝘳𝘭đ˜ș 2,000 đ˜ș𝘩𝘱𝘳𝘮 𝘱𝘹𝘰, đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜Šđ˜©đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘱𝘯đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜ș đ˜€đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘼𝘮 đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜„đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜© đ˜±đ˜ąđ˜Șđ˜„ 𝘧𝘰𝘳 đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜”đ˜ș’𝘮 𝘮đ˜Ș𝘯𝘮 đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜€đ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 đ˜„đ˜Šđ˜§đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜„đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜©. đ˜‰đ˜¶đ˜” đ˜žđ˜©đ˜ąđ˜” 𝘩đ˜čđ˜ąđ˜€đ˜”đ˜­đ˜ș đ˜€đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜šđ˜Šđ˜„ 𝘧𝘰𝘳 đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜”đ˜ș? 𝘞𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 đ˜„đ˜Ș𝘩. đ˜đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Ž đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜źđ˜Șđ˜” đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜łđ˜°đ˜€đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘩𝘮. đ˜đ˜Żđ˜Żđ˜°đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜±đ˜Šđ˜°đ˜±đ˜­đ˜Š đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜§đ˜§đ˜Šđ˜ł 𝘧𝘰𝘳 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜ąđ˜€đ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘮 𝘰𝘧 đ˜°đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Ž. đ˜Œđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜Ż đ˜Šđ˜©đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘱𝘯𝘮 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜¶đ˜Š đ˜”đ˜° 𝘮đ˜Ș𝘯. Yes, humans have committed atrocities in the past and they continue to do so, and innocent people still suffer injustices meted out to them by others because sin is in the world, but God will soon reverse the effects of these injustices, and will resurrect those that have died as a result of such atrocities. 𝘐 đ˜¶đ˜Żđ˜„đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜”đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜” đ˜Šđ˜©đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘱𝘯𝘮 𝘣𝘩𝘭đ˜Șđ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Š đ˜Žđ˜ąđ˜­đ˜·đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜Žđ˜±đ˜Ș𝘳đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜¶đ˜ąđ˜­ đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜Šđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Żđ˜ąđ˜­, đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Șđ˜źđ˜źđ˜Šđ˜„đ˜Șđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Š đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜”đ˜° đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Ż đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜§đ˜§đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Ș𝘯𝘹. đ˜‰đ˜¶đ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜” 𝘳𝘱đ˜Ș𝘮𝘩𝘮 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜Ż đ˜„đ˜Šđ˜Šđ˜±đ˜Šđ˜ł đ˜Čđ˜¶đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯: 𝘐𝘧 𝘱𝘯 𝘱𝘭𝘭-đ˜±đ˜°đ˜žđ˜Šđ˜łđ˜§đ˜¶đ˜­ đ˜Žđ˜°đ˜„ đ˜€đ˜łđ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜”đ˜ș, đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Łđ˜­đ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜łđ˜¶đ˜­đ˜Šđ˜Ž, đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜±đ˜°đ˜žđ˜Šđ˜ł đ˜”đ˜° 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘹đ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Š, đ˜žđ˜©đ˜ș 𝘾𝘱𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜„đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜© 𝘰𝘧 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜Żđ˜°đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜±đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Žđ˜°đ˜Ż đ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Žđ˜ąđ˜łđ˜ș 𝘣𝘩𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘩 đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜”đ˜ș đ˜€đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜­đ˜„ 𝘣𝘩 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘹đ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜Ż? đ˜žđ˜©đ˜ș đ˜€đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜­đ˜„đ˜Żâ€™đ˜” đ˜Žđ˜°đ˜„ 𝘮đ˜Șđ˜źđ˜±đ˜­đ˜ș 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘹đ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Š? đ˜ˆđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜Ș𝘧 đ˜‘đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜Žâ€™ đ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜€đ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜·đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜”đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ș đ˜°đ˜·đ˜Šđ˜ł đ˜„đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜©, đ˜Łđ˜¶đ˜” đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜¶đ˜­đ˜”đ˜Șđ˜źđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Š 𝘣𝘩𝘯𝘩𝘧đ˜Șđ˜” đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Ż 𝘰𝘯𝘭đ˜ș 𝘣𝘩 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜§đ˜Șđ˜łđ˜źđ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜ąđ˜§đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜ł đ˜„đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜©, đ˜žđ˜©đ˜ąđ˜” đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜„đ˜Šđ˜±đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜„đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜­đ˜ș đ˜·đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Ș𝘧đ˜Ș𝘱𝘣𝘭𝘩 đ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Șđ˜„đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Š đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Łđ˜­đ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜·đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜”đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ș đ˜ąđ˜€đ˜”đ˜¶đ˜ąđ˜­đ˜­đ˜ș đ˜°đ˜€đ˜€đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜„? I do not agree with this idea of yours about ‘Christians believing that salvation is spiritual and eternal.’ I have no idea what this idea even means, but no Christian believe such a thing. I will now go on here to answer these other questions. Our original parents, Adam and Eve, were created perfect by God, but before any children were born to them they willfully did what God had commanded them not to do, and incurred a debt that constituted an unforgivable sin against God. True to his word, God sentenced them to eternal death as a consequence. All of Adam’s offspring has inherited the consequences of Adam’s sin at birth, and just as Adam and Eve grew old and die, so we, too, suffer the wrath of God as well, which are the consequences of God’s perfect justice, that is, the indignity and misery of having become sinners with imperfect bodies that are not just vulnerable to the common cold, but to heart disease, diabetes, multiple sclerosis, dementia, Alzheimer's Disease, Parkinson’s Disease, osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, and psoriatic arthritis to name just a few of the diseases that plague and affect our quality of life as we get older, as well as the knowledge that we, like our original parents, could not escape death on our own without divine help. Without a just basis, God cannot forgive Adam’s sin or forgive our sins. If God were to reverse the death process without the payment of a ransom in satisfaction of Adam’s debt, he would be untrue to his word that “the wages of sin is death.” (Rom. 6:23) No imperfect man could satisfy this debt and deliver us from this penalty by ‘giving to God a ransom for the life of any sinner that would grant to the individual the right to live forever.’ (Psa. 49:7-9; Rom. 7:24) [cont’d]
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[2/3] Gratefully God provided the legal basis whereby he could justify and give to mankind forgiveness of their sins, which would free us from the penalty of eternal death. This God did by sending Jesus from heaven to be born as a perfect human, so that he could give his life as a ransom for all of Adam’s children. Jesus’ resurrection is not any victory over death for us. By his resurrection, Jesus himself was restored to life again, but by his death we have the ransom that provides atonement for the sins of those that exercise faith in its value to them by obeying Jesus. How the ransom works can be likened to Adam’s having deprived all of his offspring of their rightful inheritance, their savings—which he did!—which resulted in his being sentenced to life imprisonment, leaving us, the innocent victims of his corruption, impoverished and destitute with no money and no way to get out of our circumstances, that is, until a kind benefactor stepped in and relieved us of our debt and restored to us our rightful inheritance. God has arranged for Jesus to redeem us and cancel the debt of sin that Adam owed to God by having Jesus provide the ransom that “takes away the sin of the world.” (John 1:29) We have now been relieved of our debt, but we continue to be impoverished and destitute until the wrath of God comes, and our sins are purged and death is finally abolished. Unlike Adam, Jesus “committed no sin” (1 Pet. 2:22), so that because he died with the potential for fathering a perfect human race, he could adopt Adam’s sinful descendants as his children, and make it possible for those drawn into a relationship with God on the basis of (1) faith in the value of Jesus’ ransom sacrifice, (2) getting baptized in Jesus’ name and (3) obeying him could escape God’s wrath and receive eternal life. (John 3:36; Rom. 3:24) By our willingness to make changes in our life as we await the coming of God’s wrath, we strive to bring our lives into harmony with God’s will through ‘repentance and turning back’ from the pursuit of an ungodly course and we take appropriate action to do the things that are pleasing to God so that the sins we commit “may [finally] be blotted out.” (Acts 3:19) In the meantime, those who are baptized are freed from a guilty conscience and obtain “a good conscience” toward God. (1 Pet. 3:21) 𝘐’𝘼 đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” đ˜€đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘼đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Š đ˜Čđ˜¶đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘮 đ˜ąđ˜¶đ˜”đ˜°đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜­đ˜­đ˜ș đ˜„đ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜·đ˜Š đ˜Šđ˜©đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘱𝘯đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜ș. 𝘐’𝘼 𝘱𝘮𝘬đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜žđ˜©đ˜ș 𝘱 đ˜€đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘼 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘩đ˜čđ˜”đ˜łđ˜ąđ˜°đ˜łđ˜„đ˜Ș𝘯𝘱𝘳đ˜ș đ˜Žđ˜©đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜­đ˜„ 𝘣𝘩 đ˜ąđ˜€đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜±đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜„ 𝘾đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜©đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜” 𝘩đ˜č𝘱𝘼đ˜Ș𝘯đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜Ž 𝘭𝘰𝘹đ˜Șđ˜€, đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜Ž 𝘼𝘰𝘳𝘱𝘭 đ˜Șđ˜źđ˜±đ˜­đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘮, đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Șđ˜„đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Š đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜±đ˜±đ˜°đ˜łđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜Șđ˜”. đ˜žđ˜©đ˜ąđ˜” đ˜„đ˜Șđ˜„ đ˜‘đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜Žâ€™ đ˜„đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜© đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜€đ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 đ˜„đ˜Šđ˜źđ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜łđ˜ąđ˜Łđ˜­đ˜ș đ˜ąđ˜€đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜±đ˜­đ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜© 𝘧𝘰𝘳 đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜”đ˜ș đ˜”đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜” đ˜€đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜­đ˜„ đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜·đ˜Š 𝘣𝘩𝘩𝘯 đ˜ąđ˜€đ˜©đ˜Șđ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜„ 𝘾đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜©đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜ź? There’s nothing wrong with your questions, even if were your goal here to disprove the legitimacy of Christianity, but no one is expected to accept Christianity and pursue a godly course apart from a fair reading and study of the Bible. (Eph. 4:20-32) With so many things that could distract us in the world, pursuing godliness isn’t an easy thing to do. As the saying goes, you cannot know what you don’t know. But without God’s providence in sending his son Jesus to earth so that by his death and the sacrifice of his life “as a propitiation by [Jesus’] blood for our sake his righteousness could be impugned to those of us exercising faith in the ransom, God could not demonstrate his divine forbearance in passing over former sins, and we would not be justified and would continue to die for an affliction we inherited even though our sins are by no means “like the transgression of Adam.” (Rom. 3:24-26; 5:14) Consequently, faith in Jesus and his ransom is the only means by which we can be saved. [cont’d]
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[3/3] @Carlton3ru: đ˜›đ˜©đ˜łđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜šđ˜© đ˜Šđ˜©đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”'𝘮 đ˜Žđ˜ąđ˜€đ˜łđ˜Ș𝘧đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Š đ˜Žđ˜°đ˜„ 𝘾đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘹đ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Š đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜ł đ˜”đ˜łđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜šđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Žđ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘮. 𝘚𝘰 đ˜Šđ˜©đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”'𝘮 đ˜„đ˜Șđ˜„ đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜Š [đ˜”đ˜° 𝘼𝘱𝘬𝘩] đ˜¶đ˜Ž đ˜±đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜§đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜” đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” 𝘮đ˜Ș𝘯, đ˜Łđ˜¶đ˜” đ˜”đ˜° đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜·đ˜Șđ˜„đ˜Š 𝘱 𝘾𝘱đ˜ș đ˜”đ˜° [
] 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘹đ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Š 𝘧𝘰𝘳 đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜ł 𝘮đ˜Ș𝘯𝘮. đ˜Žđ˜°đ˜„ [𝘮𝘱đ˜ș𝘮] đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š 𝘾𝘱𝘹𝘩𝘮 [𝘰𝘧 𝘮đ˜Ș𝘯] đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜„đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜©, đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜”đ˜łđ˜¶đ˜Š đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜Șđ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜§đ˜¶đ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Łđ˜­đ˜Š đ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜Ż 𝘧𝘰𝘳 đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜° đ˜„đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜ș, đ˜žđ˜©đ˜ș? 1. đ˜‰đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜¶đ˜Žđ˜Š đ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜ș𝘰𝘯𝘩 𝘮đ˜Ș𝘯𝘮, 𝘯𝘰 𝘰𝘯𝘩 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜±đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜§đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜”. 2. đ˜‰đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜¶đ˜Žđ˜Š đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š 𝘾𝘱𝘹𝘩𝘮 [𝘰𝘧 𝘮đ˜Ș𝘯] đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜„đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜©, đ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜ș𝘰𝘯𝘩, [đ˜žđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜ł] đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶ 𝘣𝘩𝘭đ˜Șđ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Š 𝘰𝘳 đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” 𝘾đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 𝘋𝘐𝘌. đ˜•đ˜°đ˜” đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜ł đ˜Łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜Źđ˜”đ˜©đ˜łđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜šđ˜© đ˜Žđ˜€đ˜Șđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Š 𝘰𝘳 đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜±đ˜Šđ˜ł [đ˜źđ˜Šđ˜„đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Ș𝘯𝘩𝘮] 𝘰𝘳 đ˜€đ˜¶đ˜”đ˜”đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜Šđ˜„đ˜šđ˜Š đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜©đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜­đ˜°đ˜šđ˜ș 𝘰𝘳 đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ž [𝘣𝘩𝘭đ˜Ș𝘩𝘧𝘮], 𝘰𝘳 đ˜șđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜ł đ˜Łđ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜” đ˜±đ˜©đ˜Șđ˜­đ˜°đ˜Žđ˜°đ˜±đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘩𝘮 đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Ż đ˜€đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜šđ˜Š đ˜”đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜”.....𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘳đ˜ș. @Slickid007: đ˜Žđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜” đ˜Čđ˜¶đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘮 đ˜ąđ˜Žđ˜Źđ˜Šđ˜„ , 𝘯𝘰𝘾 đ˜žđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜€đ˜© đ˜©đ˜°đ˜ž 𝘯𝘰 𝘰𝘯𝘩 đ˜žđ˜©đ˜° đ˜€đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘼𝘮 đ˜”đ˜° 𝘣𝘩 𝘱 đ˜€đ˜©đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘱𝘯 đ˜žđ˜°đ˜Żâ€™đ˜” 𝘣𝘩 𝘱𝘣𝘭𝘩 đ˜”đ˜° 𝘱𝘯𝘮𝘾𝘩𝘳 𝘱𝘯đ˜ș 𝘰𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Š đ˜Čđ˜¶đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘮 đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜źđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ž; 𝘱𝘭𝘭 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜ș đ˜„đ˜° đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘧𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘰𝘾 𝘭đ˜Ș𝘬𝘩 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š 𝘧𝘰𝘰𝘭đ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜© đ˜Žđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜Šđ˜± đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜ș 𝘱𝘳𝘩 . As someone that professes to be a Christian, I will typically any and all questions that pertain to the gospel of the kingdom of God. Your anti-Christian taunt is not just false, but makes IMO what you say in your post foolish. I’m not asking, but I’m sure there are some that are reading this thread that wonder why you would make such a bombastic statement knowing that what you stated wasn’t representative of all Christians. @Carlton3ru 𝘐 đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜žđ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜Șđ˜” đ˜Žđ˜źđ˜ąđ˜łđ˜” đ˜šđ˜¶đ˜ș. No, actually, IMO you 𝐝𝐱𝐝𝐧’𝐭 satisfactorily answer any of the OP’s questions; I suspect that you didn’t know how. I did notice that you paraphrased Rom. 6:23, which was good. Take a moment though and read my response to @xonphused’s post.
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[1/2] @SandersLam69990 đ˜Œđ˜·đ˜°đ˜­đ˜¶đ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜§đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜Żđ˜„đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘧 đ˜źđ˜°đ˜„đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Ż 𝘣đ˜Ș𝘰𝘭𝘰𝘹đ˜ș. What makes you say this? I speak as an scientist and an academic in pointing out to you that evolutionary biology is 𝐧𝐹𝐭 the foundation of modern biology, not even a branch of science, but is a subfield of biology. Contrary to what you have been persuaded to believe, evolution is pseudoscience at best since evolution is 𝐧𝐹𝐭 an empirically verifiable scientific theory, and is 𝐧𝐹𝐭 settled science.⁣ 𝘐𝘯 đ˜Žđ˜€đ˜Șđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Š, 𝘱 "đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Šđ˜°đ˜łđ˜ș" đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” 𝘱 đ˜šđ˜¶đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Ž; đ˜Șđ˜” đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘱 𝘾𝘩𝘭𝘭-đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜„, đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜±đ˜łđ˜Šđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Š 𝘩đ˜čđ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 đ˜Łđ˜ąđ˜€đ˜Źđ˜Šđ˜„ 𝘣đ˜ș 𝘼𝘱𝘮𝘮đ˜Șđ˜·đ˜Š đ˜Šđ˜·đ˜Șđ˜„đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Š. But evolution is not a scientific theory. đ˜–đ˜·đ˜Šđ˜ł 98% 𝘰𝘧 đ˜Žđ˜€đ˜Șđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Șđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜ąđ˜€đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜±đ˜” đ˜Šđ˜·đ˜°đ˜­đ˜¶đ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯, đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜Șđ˜” đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜€đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Žđ˜§đ˜¶đ˜­đ˜­đ˜ș đ˜±đ˜łđ˜Šđ˜„đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜±đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Żđ˜Ž đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜šđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜”đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Ž, 𝘧𝘰𝘮𝘮đ˜Ș𝘭𝘮, đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ đ˜Żđ˜ąđ˜”đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š. Over 98% of scientists believe in this fairy tale? I’ve heard you, but this is false. I’ll repeat here what I wrote in a previous post that you may still find it difficult to comprehend: First, with respect to the ToE, it isn’t possible to observe the past. Observation is an activity that utilizes the senses to collect data in the present. We cannot use the senses to collect empirical data about past events. While it is possible to examine past events in the present, a degree of interpretation and inference will always be required to establish how such past events occurred.⁣ ⁣ Second, it’s not possible to design experiments to determine what happened in the past. Controlled observations/experiments may determine whether an event is possible in a specific situation, but the exact conditions that existed in a past moment in time can never be replicated. Conclusions about the past cannot be reached through inductive reasoning. Such conclusions or explanations are made through abductive reasoning.⁣ ⁣ Third, as I’ve already stated, it’s not possible to predict the past. Science predicts FUTURE events arising from certain situations based on CURRENT observations of nature. It is not used to make predictions of what happened in the past based on general observations of nature. Nor can it be used to establish the past events that led to the current observations—this would be the remit of abduction.⁣ ⁣ Using the scientific method, one observes what happens and then, based on those observations, postulate a theory as to what might be true, test this theory by making further observations and by conducting experiments; observe what results to see if predictions based on the theory are fulfilled.⁣ The ToE is said to involve observed frequency changes in alleles, but these frequency changes are PRESUMED, for such changes have NOT been observed, and, as Sir Karl Popper has pointed out, that while natural selection is a testable hypothesis, the ToE isn’t subject to the possibility of empirical falsification, which means that whatever one thinks evolution to be, WHAT IT ISN’T is a legitimate scientific theory. I call the ToE narrative pseudoscience. Geology is a branch of science. Physics is a branch of science. Chemistry, Astronomy, Mathematics, Botany, Zoology and Genetics are each branches of science. Evolutionary biology is a subfield of biology, but, again, it is NOT a branch of science. You like to talk, but you’ve never attended college and have no degree, which is what makes it difficult for you to appreciate how foolish your pushback sounds. You clearly do not understand the things I’ve been saying to you here, which I imagine a high school graduate should be able to understand. Be that as it may, below I’ve added the following remarks that were posted by @darwintojesus: [cont’d]
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[2/2] Evolution isn’t that hard to understand, animals change gradually over time as random genetic mutations are selected for on account of their giving some kind of survival advantage. Those genetic advantages are then spread through the populations. It’s not hard to understand, and most theists had to learn it in school and we’ve been constantly inundated with evolutionary propaganda. It’s not that we “don’t get it,” it’s that you* don’t get the problems with it. Here’s a few: 1. Most, if not all mutations are harmful. Imagine trying to write code for a video game using something that nearly always distorts what’s already there rather than adding something good or meaningful, and then thinking you’d get a great game this way. That makes no sense. 2. Like it or not, you need abiogenesis for evolution to work as a naturalistic theory that explains life. You need some way to go from no life to life, before you can meaningfully posit evolution
 and the more we learn about life the more insane that prospect looks. 3. There’s no evidence that tiny changes over time can create the kind of complexity we see in living organisms. The chasm between a bird’s beak changing length and something like an organ forming from a non-organ is enormous. Atheists conflate these things, but imagine saying the sand on the beach changes slightly every day so that’s what makes the sand castle. Small changes are just that, small changes. You need something that can create insane feats of engineering (like the wing) from scratch. The cause posited by evolution is an insufficient explanation. 4. Naturalistic evolution is also absurd. If it was actually true you’d have to say a heart isn’t for anything, it just happens to pump blood. A lung isn’t for breathing, that’s just what it happens to do. Feet aren’t for walking, feet happen to be used for walking. Nothing is FOR anything. There’s no design, no intention, no telos. In other words, no proper function. If people really believed that you could kiss medicine goodbye.
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