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My mom is a high-school graduate and homeschooled me and my siblings through high school. We all went on to graduate college with high honors, many of us majoring in stem majors. So, maybe get to know homeschooling families before judging. @ohJuliatweets
You can hear the pain in his voice. I feel sad for him. Perhaps he also played a part in this by spoiling her and not really saying no to her. She's also so obnoxious in the way she treats her dad like a toddler.
“At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, ‘Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus.’”
Revelation 19:10
Even a holy angel who lives in the presence of the Most High God REFUSED to allow the apostle John to kneel before and worship him. It is forbidden for any Christian to bow or kneel before any man in worship. But these hyper-patriarchy guys have weird fantasies, and you just have to wait for it all to come out.
Notice how he had to appeal to historical practices and the Puritans, none of which are Scripture. The sheer arrogance of these men is astounding! They think a husband is above a holy angel. Any woman inclined to or has bowed before their husband is sinning.
SHOULD WIVES BOW TO THEIR HUSBANDS?
William Gouge, the hyper-patriarch’s favorite person to selectively quote, says this:
“Yet because God hath placed authority in the husband over his wife, she is every way to testify her reverend respect of her
husband, and therefore at some times… to declare her reverence by some obeisance.”
Gouge argues that it is good for a wife to outwardly manifest inward respect and obedience to her husband. And he is absolutely right, and American women in general would do well to consider ways to do this. We have come so far down the feminist road for the average woman that even the thought of saying “yes sir“ to her husband is absolutely mind-blowing. We could definitely do with shifting back the other direction. Ladies, lean into this. As Gouge points out, such demonstrations of respect will actually inspire greater care and consideration in the heart of a godly man. It is good for a wife to demonstrate her respect by her actions.
But there are three issues here that we need to address: cultural conflation, partiality in application, and male exaltation.
1- Cultural Conflation
Note the conflation of two things here– the vow of submission and the act of bowing. This is a critical distinction because it is the distinction between precept and application. But applications change over time, while precepts do not.
Wives should submit to their husbands. Scripture is clear on this point, and Christian wedding vows have included the wife promising to obey her husband since time immemorial. This is precept, and it is not negotiable.
The act of bowing, on the other hand, is a specific application which has cultural connotations that vary in differing times and places.
I am not against a wife bowing to her husband in principle. Scripture commands her to respect her husband, and outward indications of that respect are part of the deal. Bowing – as well as saying “my lord” or “yes sir”– are perfectly valid options that could flow from a heart of respect, and if that is what happens then that is indeed beautiful.
But you cannot pull a specific application out of its historical context and read just that one application into the modern day because you really like it. Sarah did indeed call her husband “my lord.“ However, you will notice that, all throughout Scripture, all sorts of people refer to each other as “my lord.“ It was a standard term of respect from an inferior to a superior (for example, 1 Samuel 24:8).
The same would apply to bowing. For many cultures throughout history, bowing was a common sign of respect.
But in America today, calling someone “my lord” or bowing to them is a shocking action. This doesn’t mean that it’s inherently wrong, but it certainly does mean that you cannot try to institute it as the commanded norm. That would be a form of historical partiality.
Furthermore, it does mean that you have to be on guard against it meaning something that it was never supposed to mean. When Gouge talks about “obesiance,” he is envisioning something that was a common occurrence. He’s not requiring wives to take up a wild and bizarre practice that no other subordinate would ever do for any other superior.
For Christian influencers today to encourage wives to bow to their husbands and call them “my lord,” especially given that they refuse to give boundaries or clarifications on these conversations, is to encourage women into a kind of servile and infantilized subjection that is not countenanced by Scripture – nor by their favorite Puritan.
There are plenty of ways that Christian wives today express respect and obedience to their husbands that do not come off so bizarrely medieval, and those are perfectly acceptable and good. (1/3)
I found this to be very true. A lot of men don't even come to church, much less volunteer. Also, perhaps a hot take, but families with kids should definitely volunteer more. Too many use their kids as an excuse. Many think the church is there to serve them and revolve around them. We were serving in church from the time we were kids.
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Those still embracing the term "Christian Nationalism" (or still hanging out with those who do) in 2026 are displaying the same lack of biblical discernment as those who were still calling CRT "analytical tools" in 2019.
There is something morbid about the Catholics and Eastern Orthodox because their relics include kissing the the remains of the dead.
I agree with Allie. I don’t agree that you should stop just because you’re afraid. You should stop because it’s wrong.
There is an objective line, and Christians shouldn’t cross it. Now, where that line is, let the Holy Spirit show you.
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This reminds me of a time when my sisters and I were teenagers working for one of my dad’s friends, helping him remodel his house. He had sons, and our upbringing was very similar to theirs: we were homeschooled, and lived a conservative Christian lifestyle.
One day, while he was giving us a ride, he point-blank asked us whether we would be submissive to our future husbands. We told him we would, but we were genuinely shocked that he even felt the need to ask. Nothing about our lives up to that point suggested that we were rebellious or feminist. By God’s grace, we were obedient daughters who dressed modestly and sought to live how our parents saw fit.
This man had been friends with my dad before either of them got married and had known us since we were little girls. That experience really opened my eyes to how some men can become unbiblically fixated on the subject submission, even when there is absolutely no reason to question a woman’s commitment to biblical marriage. And, mind you, his sons weren’t even interested in any of us!
Remember Christian women, only men are allowed to pick you based on looks and attraction. You as a woman are not allowed to pick a man based on his looks or be attracted to him.
To quote Fiddler on the Roof
"A husband is not to look at, a husband is to get". Smh.
Homeschooling should never be used as an excuse to neglect a child’s education. My siblings and I were homeschooled, and our parents placed a strong emphasis on science and mathematics. I even have a sister who majored in mathematics. At the same time, we were taught practical life skills, including cooking, cleaning, shopping, and basic car maintenance, such as changing the oil, replacing tires, and changing brake pads. A well-rounded homeschool education should prepare children for both academic and the practical demands of everyday life.
Happy Birthday to Charlie Kirk. Gone too soon.
Happy 33rd birthday, @charliekirk11. I know you’re up in heaven, watching over your family and friends. We will never let you down.
Why would any godly woman what to read something that is addressed in the same way the Nazis addressed the Jews? There are a million ways this could’ve been worded but they chose the Nazi phrase. Just as feminism has recognizable terminology and recurring phrases associated with its ideology, so does Nazism. Recognizing these established associations isn't the same as reading things into someone's words.
Complementarianism was supposed to settle the question of women in the church. It didn’t.
Now, the drift toward egalitarianism and feminism in the church has only accelerated. Some churches say they are complementarian but adopt the posture that “a woman may do anything a non-ordained man may do.” May a woman preach on Mother’s Day “under the authority” of the elders? What about teaching a Sunday school class or leading a small group? May a woman serve as a deacon? What about the growing number of women enrolled in seminaries?
Drawing from years of experience helping their own churches navigate these issues, pastors D. @dmichaelclary) and Zachary M. Garris (@ZacharyGarris) argue that mainstream complementarianism was never sturdy enough to hold the line. They wrote this book to give the church something firmer.
Coming January 2027 from @Founders_Press.
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What about the humans dignity of his victims? What about them being made in the image of God? What about justice? He desecrated the image of God in which he was created when he slaughtered another human being. I for one am happy that justice and answered prayers.
Our appetite for and habituation to violence will be our society’s downfall.
Public executions don’t teach respect for human dignity and God’s image; they make violence a spectacle for public entertainment, and they corrupt the young and innocent. In modern America, there is no need for executions — they only breed vengeance, violence and dehumanization.
Satan loves this.
