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Stephen A. Smith PRESSES Abdul El-Sayed on Abolishing ICE — Then Gets a Firm Answer on Open Borders Stephen A. Smith: You’ve said the only way forward is to abolish ICE and start from scratch. What does that mean? Dr. Abdul El-Sayed: Let me be clear: I believe we ought to have a safe, secure southern border. I believe you ought to enforce immigration law, but not through masked men with AR-15s acting against the Constitution. ICE didn’t exist before this century. It’s not part of the Constitution. ICE is not about immigration. It’s about making a show of immigration and normalising paramilitary force on our streets. I believe we need to undo it and build a system that enforces immigration law while respecting the Constitution. Stephen A. Smith: Is there any condition under which you think open borders are acceptable? Dr. Abdul El-Sayed: No. You have to have borders that you can control. There’s no question about that. People think ICE is about border enforcement, but it’s not. Customs and Border Protection enforces the border. ICE handles immigration enforcement inside the country. I went to Minneapolis during the height of Project Metro Surge. Some of the things I saw, I never thought I would see in the United States of America. We can’t allow that to continue.