Great conversation! Thank you @briebriejoy for having me on!

“Greatness” is not a word I’d ever use to describe a slave owner. But it’s easy to have these cold, totally theoretical conversations when the slaves in question were not your ancestors. It’s easy to talk this way when the impacts of chattel slavery, a failed Reconstruction, Jim Crow, redlining & convict leasing don’t manifest in your actual life because you’re Kenyan/white rather than #ADOS. American Descendants of Slavery know what we lost when our family was ran off farms. When our ancestors had their labor stolen. We listen to elders speak on how the KKK burned crosses in their yards. And we listen as inheritors of that legacy of plunder—that began with slavery—not just as analytical bystanders or disinterested spectators. Lineage really does matter.