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Also for the love of everything holy please stop comparing the U.S. to Singapore. Singapore has a massive positive NIIP. If you don't understand what that means and how the U.S. situation is different you need to do more work on this topic.
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Warren makes a good point. But another way you could phrase it is current multiples are baking in the expectation that record margins rocket even higher (a productivity boom). If that doesn’t happen, then you are left with peak multiples and peak margins.
S&P 500 Is the market overvalued or in a bubble? Contrary to consensus - no. If analysts are correct and margins expand to 15.5% by 2027 (+180 bps), then multiples remain more likely to expand than contract. Less cyclical index composition + higher margins = rising multiples.
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Banks, housing, retail, mid-caps rolling over. I’d add one credit crack after another (i.e., BDCs - private credit, getting smoked). Some warning signs about economic momentum. More interesting, in my view, than the newest round of trade headlines.
$SPY -0.7% in the last month $KRE $XRT $XHB smoked Mid-caps down 5%. Few talking about that.
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We put this out on BDCs a while back for those who want to better understand the sector… thespreadsite.com/bdc-yields…
Kieran is possibly the best PM on credit I have ever met. Not a punter or big short guy just great all the time. Worth understanding this post
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This is a great way to frame it. The only additional question - what’s in the price? In 1995 the SPX was trading at ~14x forward p/e. Today ~23x (yes a different market). And we’ve been pricing this soft landing for a while. Stocks are up ~20% since the first cut last year.
so here is the debate, is it: - 1995. Fed cuts. soft landing & inflation is fine - 1967. Fed cuts. Inflation reaccelerates.. fine for a while but then the economy overheats & we get a recession - 2001. Fed cuts, but it is already too late & recession gains traction 🧵
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Lastly, I put out this chart a while back with price action around the first cut, that may be relevant.
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One more old one (not updated). Usually the UE rate doesn’t just sit at low levels. In 1995 the UE rate was 5% and (in hindsight) able to keep declining for another 5 years. Probably a different setup today.
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Maybe it’s not that inconsistent. Bond yields falling b/c growth is weak, pricing in cuts. Stocks rallying b/c investors believe the cuts will work (I.e., looking through the soft patch). When/if investors no longer believe the cuts will work (or will cause harm) stocks go down
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Replying to @oncabattical
Not the tightest ever. But yes, tight. Either way. Credit isn’t the forward looking indicator people think. Spreads were at all-time tights in mid-2007. Also, note, unlike stocks, credit has not gotten back to the tights hit early this year. A bit of a divergence Left chart MS
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4 prints, not 1. +19, -13,+79, +22 (may-aug). My simplistic view - when the economy is averaging 150k like early this year, there is cushion to absorb headwinds. When it’s averaging 25k that cushion is gone. Things aren’t falling off a cliff. But risks are higher at stall speed.
The US labor market is not as bad as fintwit is making it out to be because of one NFP print.
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I don’t quite see how most are coming to the conclusion that the tariffs are done. Do we think the most likely scenario is that Trump backs down from his top policy priority after being slapped by the courts?
No tariffs? Back to regularly scheduled macro programming. For those that forgot: It’s an episode of late cycle conditions combined with global expansionary fiscal policy and central bank easing.
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Tariff free for half a day
🔴 US Appeals Court reinstates Trump tariffs during appeal.
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Worth a quick read
Seems like Trump can use various other measures to reinstitute the tariffs while appealing IEEPA all the way to supreme court, per GS 4. The Trump administration has other authorities it can use to impose tariffs similar to those the court struck down: The administration could quickly replace the 10% across-the-board tariff with a similar tariff of up to 15% under Sec. 122. Those tariffs would last for only up to 150 days, after which the law requires Congressional action to extend (the law is not clear on whether the period could end after 150 days and then quickly restart again). Sec. 122 authorizes the President to address a balance of payments deficit or to prevent an imminent and significant depreciation in the dollar, but it does not require any formal investigation or process, so the administration could theoretically replace the current 10% tariff with a Sec. 122-based tariff within days if deemed necessary. The US Trade Representative could quickly launch Sec. 301 investigations on key trading partners, laying the procedural groundwork for tariffs after the investigation is complete. This would take longer, likely several weeks at a minimum and probably a few months to complete several investigations. There is no limit on the level or duration of tariffs under Sec. 301. Sec. 232 tariffs, which President Trump has already used for steel, aluminum, and autos, could be broadened to cover other sectors. We already expect additional sectoral tariffs (pharmaceuticals, semiconductors/electronics, etc) and uncertainty regarding the IEEPA-based tariffs could lead the White House to put more emphasis on sectoral tariffs, where there is much less legal uncertainty. President Trump has not emphasized sectoral tariffs as frequently lately as he did earlier this year, but if the White House finds it has less flexibility on country-focused tariffs, sectoral tariffs might receive more attention again. Sec. 338 of the Trade Act of 1930 allows the President to impose tariffs of up to 50% on imports from countries that discriminate against the US. This authority, which has never been used, is similar to the authority under Sec. 301, except that it limits the amount of the tariffs but does not require a formal investigation. 5. As it seems unlikely that the administration could win an appeal in the 10 days it has under the CIT order to remove the tariffs, we would expect the White House to announce a similar across-the-board tariff using Sec. 122. This would then provide the administration time to launch a series of Sec. 301 cases against larger trading partners, potentially opening the door to imposing tariffs higher than 10% in some cases. However, it seems unlikely that the administration could complete Sec. 301 investigations on every US trading partner within the next several months. If the court’s ruling against the IEEPA-based tariffs remains in effect, this could mean that smaller trading partners and/or countries with smaller trade surpluses with the US might not face a baseline tariff when Sec. 122 tariffs roll off after 150 days (assuming the Trump administration cannot find a legal means to extend them).
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Which of the following will have the highest total return over the next 12 months:
30%S&P 500
8%High Yield Credit (HYG)
30%30 Year Treasury Bond
32%Cash
323 votes • Final results
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The bond market is now getting cited by those who oppose the tax bill. Remember when the stock market couldn’t go down b/c of supposed “pumping” every day by Bessent? How long before they try to calm down the bond mkt the same way? Not a reason to buy bonds, but it’s coming
Here’s a sign of what’s in store if the big beautiful bill passes. Congress can do fantasy math, but when investors put money on the line, the math gets real. Bond markets are already demanding higher returns because Congress isn’t serious. The Fed no longer controls rates.
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Another example
The U.S. country risk trade is back as bonds, stocks and the dollar all fell sharply today. A few more days like today and recession will be likely. And financial accident risk is rising as well. President @realDonaldTrump needs to retreat on taxes just as he did on tariffs.
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Another
Warren Davidson says his bottom line is the deficit has to come down. He’s been a no on the bill for that reason. Says the most friendly dynamic score shows big deficits early on, and doesn’t trust back-end cuts. Pointed to the bond markets too.
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Updated MS forecasts below taking into account tariffs, tax, immigration, etc... Core PCE rises to 4.5% in 3Q25, and growth slows to 0.7% by 4Q25. No recession, no rate cuts in '25. A lot of rate cuts in '26. (Charts from MS)
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We probably spend too much time on recession/ no recession. More simply, the best quadrant for risk assets is below-trend and rising growth/ above-trend and falling inflation, like the past 2 years. Through year-end we will likely have the opposite on both fronts.
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